Over qualified?
Can someone be over qualified for a job if he/she completes their masters?
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Short answer: depends on the job.
Law training contract with LLM: no.
McDonalds counter staff: yes.
Law training contract with LLM: no.
McDonalds counter staff: yes.
Original post by nano1990
Lol in an IT job?
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Probably not, no. Just shows that you pursued a further academic interest.
An interesting topic. I think there are some jobs in which you were over qualified with a master. You can accept such a job nevertheless. But then I would ask myself why you should begin a job in which you are over qualified, if you are trying to get a master. That makes not sense in my point of view.
Original post by Kallisto
An interesting topic. I think there are some jobs in which you were over qualified with a master. You can accept such a job nevertheless. But then I would ask myself why you should begin a job in which you are over qualified, if you are trying to get a master. That makes not sense in my point of view.
No no that does sense i see where ur coming from, so i suppose the higher eduction u go the more higher position u should apply for right?
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When applying to a job which doesn't need a Master, neither now or in the future, than yes. Some companies, exspecially the little ones, don't like "over qulified" people, because they aren't capable to pay as much or have fear you will leave soon "for bigger task". But for most areas the possibilty to be "over qualified" is as high as to be "under qualified". (I mean, we have to stay serious, we are "only" talking about Master level.)
well it depends on the type of job
Original post by Nathanielle
When applying to a job which doesn't need a Master, neither now or in the future, than yes. Some companies, exspecially the little ones, don't like "over qulified" people, because they aren't capable to pay as much or have fear you will leave soon "for bigger task". But for most areas the possibilty to be "over qualified" is as high as to be "under qualified". (I mean, we have to stay serious, we are "only" talking about Master level.)
You do have a point when companies are afraid u might leave after u find another job...but surely all jobs know that people come and go in general!!!
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Original post by nano1990
Can someone be over qualified for a job if he/she completes their masters?
Yes.
For example, we won't appoint graduates to office assistant roles, even though some former office assistants have progressed to management positions.
It is a role for a school leaver to build up a career slowly with us. We want people to develop over 10 years or more. A graduate taking the role, would just be wanting an income because he or she couldn't secure something better. As soon as they had some experience, they would be off.
Depends on the job or specialism. In my field, there are very few job opportunities and a Masters or PhD are done for the satisfaction and not the potential financial return or career advancement. An undergrad degree is the entry-level requirement - it seems like there's no hope at all of a job without this, despite my industry's protestations to the contrary. A Masters doesn't seem to be an issue. They're not special as loads of people have them - an extra year at uni is preferable to the almost-inevitable unemployment, but I've come across professionals in my field who've had to "forget" that they had a PhD in order to get any work at all.
So basically, my advice is to research the field you're going into. Each area will view undergrad/PG differently and have different entry-level requirements.
So basically, my advice is to research the field you're going into. Each area will view undergrad/PG differently and have different entry-level requirements.
Original post by nano1990
You do have a point when companies are afraid u might leave after u find another job...but surely all jobs know that people come and go in general!!!
Yes, but as Nullu Tertius pointed out, on some positions there is simply no big room for improvement and in smaller companies we aren't about people rotating within a company but of e.g. one or two positions, on which in the worst case half of the company depends. Positions where changing every three years isn't wanted.
Original post by nulli tertius
Yes.
For example, we won't appoint graduates to office assistant roles, even though some former office assistants have progressed to management positions.
It is a role for a school leaver to build up a career slowly with us. We want people to develop over 10 years or more. A graduate taking the role, would just be wanting an income because he or she couldn't secure something better. As soon as they had some experience, they would be off.
For example, we won't appoint graduates to office assistant roles, even though some former office assistants have progressed to management positions.
It is a role for a school leaver to build up a career slowly with us. We want people to develop over 10 years or more. A graduate taking the role, would just be wanting an income because he or she couldn't secure something better. As soon as they had some experience, they would be off.
I think the problem here is the number of assumptions you make about potential employees. Office work is generally for school leavers in terms of what is required. But not every graduate wants a 'career' nor does does them applying for office work suggest they have failed to secure something better.
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
Original post by evantej
I think the problem here is the number of assumptions you make about potential employees. Office work is generally for school leavers in terms of what is required. But not every graduate wants a 'career' nor does does them applying for office work suggest they have failed to secure something better.
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
Of course one is dealing with assumptions but there is no way of verifying the truth until the individual leaves and someone says "I told you so". So one sticks to a tried and tested formula.
We are delivering a career, but we are delivering a career to people who aren't trying to catch up for 3-5 years out of the labour market by the use of the skills given to them by their degree. Most of our junior clerical staff now come with A levels. We would take them with GCSEs if we could get the quality we used to.
That isn't saying teenagers aren't as good as they used to be, but the pool of good ones who don't want to do VIth form but do want to work in an office environment is now a small one.
Original post by nano1990
but surely all jobs know that people come and go in general!!!
That isn't the attitude we wish to foster at all. We have staff who have been with us for more than 30 years and staff in their 40s who have never worked anywhere else.
Original post by evantej
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
of course they want the job but, as nulli pointed out, they probably don't want it for reasons which accord with what the employer hopes to achieve in employing someone in that role.
i used to work in the same profession as nulli, and once took on a graduate as a secretary. very nice, very keen but as soon as she had been there long enough to actually be useful as anything other than as a typist she was off. i didn't make that mistake again.
edit - that said, i am looking for entry level jobs in a completely new field with multiple masters and an irrelevant professional qualification...
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Original post by evantej
I think the problem here is the number of assumptions you make about potential employees. Office work is generally for school leavers in terms of what is required. But not every graduate wants a 'career' nor does does them applying for office work suggest they have failed to secure something better.
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
I think you should take their application at face value rather than reading things into it: they have applied because they want that job!
Well, you could also try to see the other side:
1. When everybody has to be overqualified, there are no more jobs for the people without academic ambitions. => Young people have to get a degree, which devalues universities and cost a lot of money.
2. Youth unemployment is/can also be linked to "too much nonsense degrees".
3. People want to be somehow challenged at work and having no further prospects can be very, very discouraging.
4. The over-qualified has the chance to apply to other jobs, the qualified has less possibilities. And to have a functional society the ones with less possibilities can't be overrun by the others.
I get your point, but you also have to think of the other side, which provides very strong arguments for preferring A Level sudents to Bachelors for certain jobs.
Original post by nano1990
No no that does sense i see where ur coming from, so i suppose the higher eduction u go the more higher position u should apply for right?
Let's put it this way: most of students who got an A-Level in Germany want to study at an university to get a master, bachelor and so on. But its possible to start an apprenticeship with an A-level instead studying.
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