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First gut instinct was to say stop all polio aid to nigeria until the government there can ensure that aid workers won't get KILLED by their people. Then i think about the poor kids who need the vaccine and think its always more complicated than that...
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things like this really piss me off. those workers were over there trying to help people by protecting them from a disease kills and cripples children, a disease that has already been eliminated from most of the world, and this is how those backward morons repay them? this isn't even religion, it is just idiocy. we have people just as moronic here opposing vaccinations, although they don't go as far as shooting people. but spreading lies and misinformation that leads to easily preventable deaths is just as ****ed up
The religion of peace and science spreads its love once more.
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What's the perpotrators religion got to do with anything? It's not like they used religion to justify the attacks. Nice try though.
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Original post by Mukhabarat
What's the perpotrators religion got to do with anything? It's not like they used religion to justify the attacks. Nice try though.


It's assumed (you may disagree but it looks likely) the reason behind the attacks is opposition to polio than just randomness, and if that's the case a lot of the blame can be laid at the feet of the Muslim leaders who oppose it.
Reply 7
Original post by G8D
Did you read the article? There has been religious opposition to the polio vaccinations. The attackers are suspected to be part of some extremist group.

Yes I did and that is true.
Some Nigerian Muslim leaders have previously opposed polio vaccinations, claiming they could cause infertility.
On Thursday, a controversial Islamic cleric spoke out against the polio vaccination campaign, telling people that new cases of polio were caused by contaminated medicine.
I fail to see how this was about religion. And key word being "suspected".
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Original post by Hopple
It's assumed (you may disagree but it looks likely) the reason behind the attacks is opposition to polio than just randomness, and if that's the case a lot of the blame can be laid at the feet of the Muslim leaders who oppose it.

They didn't oppose it for religious reasons. See my quote above.
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Original post by Mukhabarat
They didn't oppose it for religious reasons. See my quote above.


They gave a non-religious excuse, yes, but why is it Muslim leaders who are objecting? There's also mention of some crazy Islamist group who kill in the name of "Western education is forbidden".
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Original post by Hopple
They gave a non-religious excuse, yes, but why is it Muslim leaders who are objecting? There's also mention of some crazy Islamist group who kill in the name of "Western education is forbidden".


does it say anywhere in the quaran that polio vaccines are forbidden? no. they don't trust the vaccines because they don't trust the west, but that is a societal thing not a religious one. they are not actually using their religion to justify it, else there would be islamic opposition to vaccination in the west as well
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You are an idiot for titling the thread as it is.

That being said its sad to know that some people's understanding on certain matters are this low.
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Original post by lucaf
does it say anywhere in the quaran that polio vaccines are forbidden? no. they don't trust the vaccines because they don't trust the west, but that is a societal thing not a religious one. they are not actually using their religion to justify it, else there would be islamic opposition to vaccination in the west as well


The reason the religious leaders are listened to is because of their religion and the religion of their followers. You can argue they're distorting stuff or outright lying, but that doesn't change the fact that without the Muslim link, those women who were only there to help would still be alive and helping more.
Original post by Rant
Source.

What do you think about this? Doesn't seem to be a very peaceful act.


Shhhh, dont mention the muslims, they neg in high numbers.
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Original post by Hopple
The reason the religious leaders are listened to is because of their religion and the religion of their followers. You can argue they're distorting stuff or outright lying, but that doesn't change the fact that without the Muslim link, those women who were only there to help would still be alive and helping more.


I am not arguing they are distorting stuff or lying because their justification is not remotely religious. they are not twisting an obscure quaran verse, they are not quoting a hadith, this is fueled entirely by their distrust of the west.
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Original post by lucaf
I am not arguing they are distorting stuff or lying because their justification is not remotely religious. they are not twisting an obscure quaran verse, they are not quoting a hadith, this is fueled entirely by their distrust of the west.


Their Muslim followers listen to them because they are Muslim leaders.
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Original post by Hopple
Their Muslim followers listen to them because they are Muslim leaders.


the muslim leaders are saying these things because of their culture, not their religion. therefore if it were not muslim leaders in a position of power whoever took their place would still distrust the vaccines due to them sharing the same west hating culture, and would still be listened to since they are in a position of power.

seriously, is this so hard to get? when somebody does something in the name of a religion it does not necessarily make it representative of that religion, so how on earth is doing something and not even trying to justify it with a religion make the religion to blame?

lets turn this around. if somebody went and killed some doctors in the states because they had been listening to Jenny McCarthy's bull**** about vaccines causing autism, would that be the fault of Catholicism?
Reply 17
There are 3 countries where polio hasn't been eradicated yet.
Nigeria
Pakistan
Afghanistan

the characteristic of the people stopping the polio vaccinations are
Angry men nursing anti-west conspiracy theories, big beards, AK47 and shouting allah akbar.

Doesn't mean all muslims love polio... But it's stretching it to say that religion has nothing to do with it.
Similar thing happened in Pakistan in December.. Linky. Horrible stuff.

Is it coincidental that these workers are females too?
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Original post by lucaf
the muslim leaders are saying these things because of their culture, not their religion. therefore if it were not muslim leaders in a position of power whoever took their place would still distrust the vaccines due to them sharing the same west hating culture, and would still be listened to since they are in a position of power.

seriously, is this so hard to get? when somebody does something in the name of a religion it does not necessarily make it representative of that religion, so how on earth is doing something and not even trying to justify it with a religion make the religion to blame?

lets turn this around. if somebody went and killed some doctors in the states because they had been listening to Jenny McCarthy's bull**** about vaccines causing autism, would that be the fault of Catholicism?


Who the **** is Jenny McCarthy? If the Pope or some other Catholic authority went around saying vaccines cause autism and a bunch of Catholics ended up killing vaccinators, then damn right I'd blame religion. You can argue that it isn't Islam as a whole, but clearly that branch of Islam in Nigeria is large enough to do the damage.

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