I'm so proud to be one of the people...

I also voted remain, and don’t regret my vote. I am also a Trump supporter and someone who supports eurosceptic parties abroad.

Here’s my reasoning

1: vote leave is a joke.

The economic case for brexit is just dumb, and other than maybe a few idiots at vote leave nobody believed. Sovereignty is a posh way of saying they wanted less immigration.

2: the EU isn’t inherently bad

The problem is the people running it, who incidentally are the same people running brexit- the globalist establishment this is why we’re in the mess we are now.

I also voted remain, and don’t regret my vote. I am also a Trump supporter and someone who supports eurosceptic parties abroad.

Here’s my reasoning

1: vote leave is a joke.

The economic case for brexit is just dumb, and other than maybe a few idiots at vote leave nobody believed. Sovereignty is a posh way of saying they wanted less immigration.

2: the EU isn’t inherently bad

The problem is the people running it, who incidentally are the same people running brexit- the globalist establishment this is why we’re in the mess we are now.

But is there any evidence whatsoever that the EU is capable or reform? The EU is moving further in the direction of increasing power and control and reducing any kind of accountability.

millions in southern Europe are trapped in desperate poverty which they are utterly powerless to do anything about. This has been going on for a decade and must be seen as an utter failure of the EU

But is there any evidence whatsoever that the UK is capable of reform? The UK is moving further in the direction of increasing power and control and reducing any kind of accountability.

Millions in northern England are trapped in desperate poverty which they are utterly powerless to do anything about. This has been going on for a decade and must be seen as an utter failure of the UK.

This isn't remotely close to being true and is just Europhilic rhetoric.

The UK is taking back power and control that was ceded to Europe - and accountability will return. If UK voters don't like the government they have the means to change it. That there have been multiple governments of different colours in recent years tells you this.

The EU, on the other hand, cannot be changed. They do what they want and Britain has no say whatsoever.

A lot of people in the north (and there aren't millions in poverty) vote Labour no matter what. Sometimes there is a Labour government, sometimes there isn't. Sometimes they get things they like, sometimes they don't. If enough people got fed up with Conservative government, there would be a Labour government and they would at least have a go at making the changes they want to.

Contrast that with Cyprus. The EU controls the Cypriot economy utterly. Cyprus has no influence on any policy of the EU and there is nothing they can do about it. The value of their imports, exports, money - all is utterly out of their hands. Barely any young people have jobs - and what can they do about it? Vote in a different national government who are still constrained by exactly the same thing. This is exactly what happened in Greece.

If you don't like what the EU is doing, the mechanisms do not exist to change them. You tell them you oppose them - they tell you that you are too stupid to possibly understand, and then they go ahead and do it anyway.

Whenever I see the word globalist this guy comes to mind

But is there any evidence whatsoever that the EU is capable of reform? The EU is moving further in the direction of increasing power and control and reducing any kind of accountability.

millions in southern Europe are trapped in desperate poverty which they are utterly powerless to do anything about. This has been going on for a decade and must be seen as an utter failure of the EU

Whenever I see the word globalist this guy comes to mind

Personally I get this. It's like he is trying his best to appear fascist. Globalisim is a much better word at it implies the description of a systemic process as apposed to globalist which decribes an individual. Which is a) not how the global economy works,

It won’t have any choice. The problem wasn’t so much the EU as it was weak national leaders. With Merkel on the brink we should start to see a far more nationalist EU.

That’s more a Euro problem than the EU per se

This is conjecture. There is no evidence that the EU changes regardless of who is in charge nationally. The stall the EU has set out is that it will do whatever it takes for a federal Europe, and that anyone that stands in their way will either be ignored or destroyed.

The Euro is indivisible from the EU. Only Britain and Denmark didn't join in because it was at the start of the project - for everyone else it's a requirement (albeit at some point in the future) but the Euro is an essential part of the EU.

Do you think that if all the 27 member states elected populist right wing leaders and had complete control over the European Parliament the same way the EPP does now it wouldn’t change anything?

There is no evidence it will or won’t, but it should work in theory without good reason.




As above, it depends. For instance, if a country such as Italy were to hold a referendum to leave the euro it could be accommodated .

Inb4 evidence. Before brexit there is no evidence that a country could leave the EU after a referendum as other countries bottled it when push cane to shove. The democratic elements to the EU will give way and this will change the political reality- see Brexit.