What I would just like to say as a 22 year old ‘working class’ man.

Could you please refrain from posting posts that don’t target the discussion. I don’t want my thread to become a troll-fest. I want genuine respectable discussion. If you are unable to do that, then please don’t post, or make your own thread orientated to your own debating style.

OK but all I said was oh. That's all your post inspired me to say. You ok Ray? Lol

That is a rather pessimistic prediction on such a big change of possible opportunities. Yes, with a negative mindset people will be blind to the new set of choices we will have in either our careers or business destinations, but with a more positive outlook, I believe that we can capitalise on the new ventures that are coming our way, to create a better country all round.

All new situations will require a new vision, and keeping on at old and beaten ideologies is just going to make these new opportunities fly by us.

Countries such as USA and Japan do have more opportunities for us to trade, invest and even create new networks, and industries.

Yes, it is going to be very different, business approaches will be obviously with a new global perspective, but what is wrong with that? The UK isn’t a stupid country, and I genuinely believe that with our new and stronger partners, we can have a greater global outreach while providing far more career and business choices than what is currently possible with the EU.


Personally, I am looking forward to and welcoming the new choices that will come of this. I feel that the UK had reached it’s limit threshold of growth and development within its current global standing, and will ultimately become a stronger global power for this change.

The first paragraph of your response is stereotypical garbage, people use when they have no clue in quantitative or knowledge means of their nations domestic/international position in relation to others. First of all, the USA GDP comes mainly from its tertiary (service) sector. So there isn't a lot that they can provide in terms of the physical goods agreed upon a trade deal. And I highly doubt that we will establish anything beyond a standard free trading deal (FTD), just like NAFTA. Second of all, Japan is positioned at the other side of the world, transportation is going to be expensive. The only reason why it was cheaper to get goods when in the EU, was due to the concept of containerization and economies of scale, due to the enormous demand as the trading bloc as a whole.

"Business approaches will be obviously with a new global perspective"
You mean more risk, as to implement your so called "new global perspective", would require more investment from businesses. Approximately 80% of domestic businesses fail within its 5 years. Adding more barriers for domestic businesses to grow isn't going to help them

Everything in life is my fault? So was it the employees of the WTC's fault that they died in 9/11?
And, hah, thinking the Tories give a **** about the working class.

You've created the chip on your shoulder. No one else.



Bottom line: Tories think of you as chattel. Especially man like Boris. You're drunk and feckless.

Please see post #20

Please see post #20

Oh, I think my post was perfectly relevant. Was the Holocaust the Jews' fault, too? Were the 7/7 attacks the passengers' faults? Was the recent London bridge stabbing the victim's fault? You said that everything that happens in life is your own fault.

Mhm.

You've created the chip on your shoulder. No one else.



Bottom line: Tories think of you as chattel. Especially man like Boris. You're drunk and feckless.

I think you misunderstood the angle that I was trying to come at. I am very aware of what you are saying, even though I don’t quite agree with some of it, or at least your knowledge/understanding on how new business ventures arise.

I was mainly pointing out not only corporate changes, but changes to how start up companies with new ideas and skills can come on the scene, which in my opinion is what the U.K needs the most. Sometimes stagnation can set in and a few changes can make all the difference to allow new ideas to be explored. Try thinking in a more business approach instead of an economists approach. Both are totally vital of course, but to think that everything just comes down to a current-state-of-affairs calculation is some what narrow minded.

But the "new ideas and skills" you are referring to is not something expected from a start up company, and if present it may also become a deterrent to achieve growth internationally as not everyone is the perfect entrepreneur. While these possible ideas may minimize the disadvantages I provided earlier by achieving in example larger profit margins. It will never reach its optimum level of efficiency when in the EU, as the disadvantages will never be removed as long as the EU member states maintain its shared policy due to it being a single market

What I would like to ask the average 22 yr old working class man. 1) Why is you hair on upside down? 2) WTF did you vote leave? You have only yourselves to blame!

The original post is so full of flaws I'd have to write an essay dissecting it all. I'm too drunk, criminal and feckless to do so.

Thank you for your thought provoking post. It was rather enlightening, and your reasoning and debate skills are A+. However, I am going for a slightly different style of debate here, so please refer to post #20 or the new header that I have included in the OP.