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“I want genuine and respectable discussion. If you are unable to do that, or you are only reading / reposting / quoting cherry picked parts of my posts without context, then please don’t post here, or make your own thread of a similar issue orientated to your own debating style, thank you.”


I am 22 years old and working class (not that I agree with identity politics AT ALL) and unlike momentum’s media manufactured imagine of me, I actually want to aspire to be something and I put an extreme amount of effort in doing so.

Yes, maybe some radicals have been torn apart (as they say) by the election (not like I agree with blame, EVERYTHING in life in YOUR own fault), but they wasn’t wanting to contribute to the country anyway, so why should I have to be slowed down by the likes of them?

All the Corbyn beliefs would of just ended up in brain drain from the country. We would have lost out global leadership and opportunities.

I also hate the patronising attitude from labour. Just because I was born into a ‘not so great economic situation’, that doesn’t mean I will never be a success. I am just as capable of succeeding in life as anyone else, rich or poor. It is 2020, we have internet, access to every single book you can think of, and even online tuition if needed.

I am a demographic that they use to patronise. I say ‘get lost’ and leave me alone. I don’t need big brother watching over me, treating me like their lap dog. I am an independent man, and I have just as much potential as any one else.

Stop making all these ‘minorities’ (again, not like I agree or even believe in identity politics) come across as weak and insipid caricatures just used to make yourself feel good while having a drink of wine with your snobby friends, trying to look like a do-gooder.

I am not a charity case, so don’t treat me like one. THAT is more offensive than anything (not like I ever get personally offended).

And stop using hitler youth style force in what I am ‘allowed’ to believe. I have MY own INDIVIDUAL and PERSONAL right to vote for who I like, depending on what I myself believe is best for ME.

Loads of people at universities across the country are Tory, they just don’t say due to the brutal persecution from the socialists. They are the most intolerant and arrogant lot there is.

People should not be used as some sudo political cartoon for your own supply of ‘feel good’. We are not a drug to be used at your whim.

What is wrong with aspiration? Isn’t it a natural trait in all living beings? Even a plant aspires to grow, so why shouldn’t I? It feels like labour want to take away from me that what even a plant has a right to do - grow and aspire.

All this propaganda from labour/momentum makes it harder for people from so called ‘disadvantaged minorities’ (awful term btw) to be taken seriously.

Also, I am tired of everyone speaking on behalf of others, instead of themselves. It is like everyone is in some religious cult with a sense of self-righteous pity on people they deem ‘lower’ than themselves.

So, I would like to ask all you socialists just one thing from you.
Leave us alone, stop trying to take away our freedom to explore this world.

Ray



P.S I tried posting this before here but got an error about something to do with a moderation team?
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I am 22 years old and working class (not that I agree with identity politics AT ALL) and unlike you, I actually want to aspire to be something and I put an extreme amount of effort in doing so.

Yes, maybe the pathetic people have been torn apart (not like I agree with blame, EVERYTHING in life in YOUR own fault), but they wasn’t wanting to contribute to the country anyway, so why should I have to be slowed down by the likes of you?

All your Corbyn beliefs would of just ended up in brain drain from the country. We would have lost out global leadership and opportunities.

I also hate the patronising attitude from labour. Just because I was born into a ‘not so great economic situation’, that doesn’t mean I will never be a success. I am just as capable of succeeding in life as anyone else, rich or poor. It is 2020, we have internet, access to every single book you can think of, and even online tuition if needed.

I am a demographic that you use to patronise. I say ‘get lost’ and leave me alone. I don’t need big brother watching over me, treating me like their lap dog. I am an independent man, and I have just as much potential as any one else.

Stop making all these ‘minorities’ (again, not like I agree or even believe in identity politics) come across as weak and insipid caricatures just used to make yourself feel good while having a drink of wine with your snobby friends, trying to look like a do-gooder.

I am not a charity case, so don’t treat me like one. THAT is more offensive than anything (not like I ever get personally offended).

And stop using hitler youth style force in what I am ‘allowed’ believe. I have MY own INDIVIDUAL and PERSONAL right to vote for who I like, depending on what I myself believe is best for ME.

Loads of people at universities across the country are Tory, they just don’t say due to the brutal persecution from you socialists. You are the most intolerant and arrogant lot there is.

People should not be used as some sudo political cartoon for your own supply of ‘feel good’. We are not a drug to be used at your whim.

What is wrong with aspiration? Isn’t it a natural trait in all living beings? Even a plant aspires to grow, so why shouldn’t I? It feels like labour want to take away from me that what even a plant has a right to do - grow and aspire.

All this propaganda from labour/momentum makes it harder for people from so called ‘disadvantaged minorities’ (awful term btw) to be taken seriously.

Also, I am tired of everyone speaking on behalf of others, instead of themselves. It is like everyone is in some religious cult with a sense of self-righteous pity on people they deem ‘lower’ than themselves.

So, I would like to ask all you socialists just one thing from you.
Leave us alone, stop trying to take away our freedom to explore this world.

Ray



P.S I tried posting this before here but got an error about something to do with a moderation team?
As if the Tories actually care about the average working class person such as yourself 😂
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As if the Tories actually care about the average working class person such as yourself 😂
I think you totally missed my point. I don’t need ‘caring for’. I am fine thank you very much. I just don’t want forced oppression and passive-aggressive sympathy.

And I don’t view my original economic situation as a major part that identifies me.

Life is a journey, why would I want to be doing to same thing and be at the same level in my life in 20 years as I am today?
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The Tory upper class doesn't care about you or your situation poppet
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No one is telling you anything.

Maybe momentum but they are idealistic kids.
I'd love to reply to this in detail but it's almost 2am.
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The Tory upper class doesn't care about you or your situation poppet
Yet again, I don’t think you read my post. I do not need ‘caring for’.

Don’t be so patronising.
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I am a socialist btw and so is everyone who supports the NHS. According to Americans anyway.

So using the words socialist and momentum like they are the same hurts.
Look up one nation conservativism. It's the duty of the affluent to ensure the gulf between the rich and the poor does not grow to great. I think that touches on socialistic principles even if the Idea is a Tory one.
Boris is a proponent of one nation conservativism as well.

I'm just trying get at socialism is not bad.
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It seems like a form of hatred and jealousy of the successful, and a fear of looking like a personal failure, plays a major role in a lot of this thought pattern. Maybe this is more of a psychological problem within society than a political one, and politics is just a tool people use to express this.

A bitter and jealous mindset on a mass scale. Very worrying for the future.
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I am a socialist btw and so is everyone who supports the NHS. According to Americans anyway.

So using the words socialist and momentum like they are the same hurts.
Look up one nation conservativism. It's the duty of the affluent to ensure the gulf between the rich and the poor does not grow to great. I think that touches on socialistic principles even if the Idea is a Tory one.
Boris is a proponent of one nation conservativism as well.

I'm just trying get at socialism is not bad.
I understand what you are getting that, but I am talking from a more ‘real world’ and practical perspective, bearing in mind and understanding basic human nature, with all its faults and weaknesses.
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The Tory upper class doesn't care about you or your situation poppet
while labour only appears to
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while labour only appears to
That is very true.

Labour never want to get anyone out of poverty, because then they would lose voters!

Labour voters are just pawns to the voting game.

It is just a cycle of hopes and failures, hopes and failures, no answers, only short term patches on any problems.
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That is very true.

Labour never want to get anyone out of poverty, because then they would lose voters!

Labour voters are just pawns to the voting game.
That's unfair on Corbyn.
The one thing you can say about Corbyn is he believed in what he was saying.

Right or wrong.

I feel you have a twisted view of labour due to momentum. These people you see at university are not representative of labour. Personally I think they are toxic.
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That's unfair on Corbyn.
The one thing you can say about Corbyn is he believed in what he was saying.

Right or wrong.

I feel you have a twisted view of labour due to momentum. These people you see at university are not representative of labour. Personally I think they are toxic.
To be honest, I don’t have such a romantic view of politics. I believe he was just a career politician out for popularity using the same techniques and PR strategy as any other celebrity going for a ‘media centred’ career, although on a much more aggressive and toxic scale.I don’t believe he actually believed in what he said (that his manifesto would actually be good for the U.K), just that it sounded cool, created hype, and brought worship that boosted his ego and potential success.

It all just reminds me of strange cults. It just feels like that. Just feels like a big red flag. Too much emotion and not enough logic, with crowds of over the top radical supporters/worshippers.
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"We would have lost out global leadership and opportunities."
The thing is, the Labour was presenting its campaign on its core value of "morality", not global competitiveness/opportunities or etc.
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"We would have lost out global leadership and opportunities."
The thing is, the Labour was presenting its campaign on its core value of "morality", not global competitiveness/opportunities or etc.
What is morality? Is Jeremy’s morality the same as mine, yours, the people down the street? That part of life should be kept open for individual interpretation.

Also, global competitiveness is what creates good living conditions, look at countries with low GDP’s and tell me that the people there have a more comfortable life than how we have it here in the UK!

Personally, I think supporting opportunities to compete (especially globally) is the most moral and liberating thing that politics could and should ever achieve.

Having big brother doing all the thinking and making all the choices for you is just slavery.
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I also think that a lot of people just vent their own life problems out through politics in an out of control and over emotional way, ultimately just using politics as a chaotic shout-box venting tool.

I’d say the majority of people’s problems in life are not political.

It would be better for people to look within for answers to personal problems and happiness, instead of pointing the finger at other outward aspects. Maybe that would lead to conversation and ideas that develop cures, not patches, for particular problems in individual people’s lives.

I guess you could say that labour are the biggest offenders of ‘over-generalising’. Maybe data farming isn’t all it’s cracked up to be...
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What is morality? Is Jeremy’s morality the same as mine, yours, the people down the street? That part of life should be kept open for individual interpretation.

Also, global competitiveness is what creates good living conditions, look at countries with low GDP’s and tell me that the people there have a more comfortable life than how we have it here in the UK!
Have you gone mad. Morality tends to be universally similar for everyone, while there may be exceptions for some. And no, global competitiveness may not always result in creating good living conditions, as its not even the main component in why the UK is benefiting from a high GDP. Due to globalization, global competition increased, which mainly increased efficiency.
Because we are planning to separate ourselves with the EU, rather than enjoying free trade, movement, capital-flow and etc, we are shifting to being a competitor, and there is going to be a price for us to pay. What the Labour party envisioned is for people at the lower spectrum of the socioeconomic class, to enjoy the same luxury as the ones higher up the spectrum. Yes, there are some flaws and gaps in his idea, but at least it was something worth pursuing. When we leave the EU, it could also be argued that it becomes a slight barrier to increase the nations GDP since accessing the EU trading bloc would be harder for businesses interested in international trade.
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When we leave the EU, it could also be argued that it becomes a slight barrier to increase the nations GDP since accessing the EU trading bloc would be harder for businesses interested in international trade.
That is a rather pessimistic prediction on such a big change of possible opportunities. Yes, with a negative mindset people will be blind to the new set of choices we will have in either our careers or business destinations, but with a more positive outlook, I believe that we can capitalise on the new ventures that are coming our way, to create a better country all round.

All new situations will require a new vision, and keeping on at old and beaten ideologies is just going to make these new opportunities fly by us.

Countries such as USA and Japan do have more opportunities for us to trade, invest and even create new networks, and industries.

Yes, it is going to be very different, business approaches will be obviously with a new global perspective, but what is wrong with that? The UK isn’t a stupid country, and I genuinely believe that with our new and stronger partners, we can have a greater global outreach while providing far more career and business choices than what is currently possible with the EU.


Personally, I am looking forward to and welcoming the new choices that will come of this. I feel that the UK had reached its limit threshold of growth and development within its current global standing, and will ultimately become a stronger global power for this change.
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Could you please refrain from posting posts that don’t target the discussion. I don’t want my thread to become a troll-fest. I want genuine respectable discussion. If you are unable to do that, or you are only reading cherry picked parts of my posts without context, then please don’t post here, or make your own thread orientated to your own debating style.
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