Johnson to renege on Withdrawal Agreement

Rainbow Warrior- yes

Iraq- no
Every state actor believed Saddam was lying about his denials about weapons of mass destruction. Clearly some very dubious characters invented evidence about those weapons and allied spooks variously convinced themselves the evidence was genuine and "sexed up" sceptical reports about the evidence. In the same way that policemen "fit up" people they believe to be guilty, the politicians who invaed Iraq believed the invasion was justified.

Laos-Cambodia- no
The US and South Vietnam maintained that Laos and Cambodia were in breach of their duties to South Vietnam by failing o prevent infiltration by North Vietnamese forces,

Interesting that some still care for the legality of the Iraq war given that Saddam was a genocidal dictator. Our only crime was not hanging him after Kuwait.

breaking 'international' law. I think the EU has done many then. In fact they broke their own law on A.50 because it was supposed to be 2 years and if no special deal worked out we leave on WTO. WTO isnt actually a bad way. Doing a trade deal with the EU is good. But the issue is the EU doesnt WANT a trade deal. They want political control and control of the waters and border. I'm all for a trade deal but if the EU keeps refusing then we leave promptly. Then do trade deals with other countries

What makes you say this exactly? There being a rather big difference between not wanting a deal and wanting one that benefits them, an eminently reasonable position for them to take. Not least of all because Messr's Johnson and co. have cemented the view of 'perfidious albion' now.
If the UK can't even keep its word in law why on earth would they trust us not to abuse a border, fishing rights etc.

Of course this is all completely ignoring the fact nobody really gives a shite about the fishing waters (at least on the British side). As far as dog whistles go it does fire up the base.

Interesting that some still care for the legality of the Iraq war given that Saddam was a genocidal dictator. Our only crime was not hanging him after Kuwait.

I doubt the fact he was a horribly cruel despot was a big factor in the invasion planning.

Fishing is like steel. It's not especially important nationally but it's constituency concentrated. That gives it political impact.

Plus an island nation sharing it's fish is a bit stupid.

I feel thats the problem. Turning an irrelevent local issue into one of national import is ridiculous. Especially as we don't even eat the damn stuff but export it. Vander Weyer had a good overview of the issue in this weeks Spectator actually.

Fishing is like steel. It's not especially important nationally but it's constituency concentrated. That gives it political impact.

Plus an island nation sharing it's fish is a bit stupid.

What makes you say this exactly? There being a rather big difference between not wanting a deal and wanting one that benefits them, an eminently reasonable position for them to take. Not least of all because Messr's Johnson and co. have cemented the view of 'perfidious albion' now.
If the UK can't even keep its word in law why on earth would they trust us not to abuse a border, fishing rights etc.

Of course this is all completely ignoring the fact nobody really gives a shite about the fishing waters (at least on the British side). As far as dog whistles go it does fire up the base.

I mean, no doubt the industry is small, but in my experience it's one that more people feel invested in than you might imagine. All those little former fishing villages and towns that don't even have a fleet any more think it's totemic and somehow part of their heritage.

In terms of irrelevance, it does explain (at least in part) why the Tories have gained a fairly strong foothold in north-east Scotland since 2017.

Don't worry about fishing!

Now that the imports will become significantly more expensive we will be eating our own fish, crabs, lobsters, prawns, etc...
Besides, fish and seafood are very healthy!

Let's take our country back and let's take our waters back! Let's stop the oppression from the EU that oppresses even our own fish, crabs, lobsters, and prawns..

The fishing industry will enter the Golden Age in a few months time. Very good decision by the fishermen to vote for Brexit.4 years ago. They will soon see the results of their vote..

I know your trying to be ironic but actually it is one industry which in the long run probably will experience a significant benefit, especially if fish prices do fall (due to the higher supply) and consumers actually eat more of it (which to be honest the government should encourage).

Lol

Oh there is crowing, the nobody remainers names popping back out the woodwork to crow, the whole leave campaign wasn't a lie, no more than any polical campaign was/is a lie. Regards BJ lieing about something he won the GE on that's not strictly true either.

In any case, I still dont think we will end up with no deal.... time will tell

breaking 'international' law. I think the EU has done many then. In fact they broke their own law on A.50 because it was supposed to be 2 years and if no special deal worked out we leave on WTO. WTO isnt actually a bad way. Doing a trade deal with the EU is good. But the issue is the EU doesnt WANT a trade deal. They want political control and control of the waters and border. I'm all for a trade deal but if the EU keeps refusing then we leave promptly. Then do trade deals with other countries

Fishing is like steel. It's not especially important nationally but it's constituency concentrated. That gives it political impact.

Plus an island nation sharing it's fish is a bit stupid.

Yes, it was worth causing mayhem and probably a long term 30% decline in national income in order to be able to eat more fish.

breaking 'international' law. I think the EU has done many then. In fact they broke their own law on A.50 because it was supposed to be 2 years and if no special deal worked out we leave on WTO. WTO isnt actually a bad way. Doing a trade deal with the EU is good. But the issue is the EU doesnt WANT a trade deal. They want political control and control of the waters and border. I'm all for a trade deal but if the EU keeps refusing then we leave promptly. Then do trade deals with other countries

This isn't even really about the EU.

The facts of this case are relatively simple. We signed up to a deal voluntarily - we didn't have to. The government proclaimed this deal, the Tories put this deal at the heart of their manifesto, Parliament voted through this deal. It's law. That's unarguable.

The fact that it's a terrible deal we never should have signed up to is our fault.

The question is whether we should be a country that abides by international law and treaties, or one that doesn't. And if it's the latter, why would any country sign a deal with us again?

The whole leave campaign was a lie! Where's that £350million on the bus gone? Or has that gone towards the £8billion on customs checks and lorry parks and red tape?

Secondly, he presented to the British public that he would 'get brexit done' on the back of his 'oven ready deal.' Which now looks completely raw. "It's not good enough!" says the man who negotiated it, signed it, forced MP's to back it and won the GE on the back of it...

I do hope your right in terms of not ending up at no deal. However, maybe that'll be the best thing to show those who voted exactly what they voted for...

People like you are the ones that will have cost generations thousands if not millions of jobs, money, and livelihoods. "Then do trade deals with other countries." Yeah Boris, just knock one up with another country, that'll cover 43% of trade. Moron.

Completely agree. Steel, should have been canned yonks ago. I cannot believe successive governments tried to prop it up. Money should have gone into retraining, not trying to save what was already dead.

Damn you really hate Brexit....