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    (Original post by ILikePasta)
    Maybe we have no reason to believe in god. As far as I'm concerned what's the point?
    What's the point?
    It increasing your faith and gives a purpose in life, the way you live your life and how you act in relation to others
    It gives you a guidance in how you live your life etc.
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    Because reality appears to have a strong atheist bias.

    How people become atheists differs from person to person. Some people are never presented with religion as children, and as adults have the critical thinking skills to simply reject it the same way they rejected Santa when they were six. Others were raised religious but as their scientific literacy improved they spotted the contradictions between reality and religious misinterpretations of reality.

    Personally I was raised a christian, I quickly learned that god's (or gods') spokesmen on earth were untrustworthy scumbags who sought power and influence over others, and found that religion offered an easy shortcut to gain this power. This wasn't enough to remove my faith, just my reverence of religious preachers. Then I realised that I'm a bisexual man, I'm capable of falling in love with members of either gender and there's nothing I can do about that. This left me with a great deal of cognitive dissonance, after all god is meant to be love right? But if god made me non-straight, and homosexuality is a sin...does that mean god made me purely so he has someone to hate?

    I quickly realised this didn't make sense so I became a theist; someone who rejects religions but still believes in a god who cares what people get up to, this allowed me to push past the entire Christian dogma but retain faith.

    Whilst at university I decided to read through the bible in full (I was an English Language and Literature student, English literature borrows a lot from the bible) and what I found was that not only does the book come across as less realistic than Harry Potter, but that god, as a concept, is fundamentally totalitarian. To believe in god is to believe that we are being watched and judged every second of every minute of every day. Not just for our actions, but for our thoughts and beliefs. This is literal thoughtcrime, having read 1984 just prior to reading the bible I found too many parallels between god and Big Brother. Except at least Big Brother wouldn't drag you to Room 101 just for having the wrong emotions, but envy is such a harsh sin it's even mentioned in the commandments. It's not some silly little rule like not eating shellfish or wearing two fabrics of clothes or the evil of decorating a tree. (That's right, christmas trees are sinful Jeremiah 10:1-5)

    So not only am I an atheist now, but an antitheist, someone who is actively offended by the very concept of god and glad that every religious text is incorrect in their initial assumption, namely the existence of a theistic deity (or deities) excluding the texts of Buddhism and Scientology of course, which are wrong for different reasons. The assumption that theistic dieties exist is not only patently false but would be completely undesirable if true. If christianity was true, I'd ally with Satan in order to dethrone god, as such a throne cannot exist alongside freedom and morality.
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    Religion is merely a tool used to keep the population in line, nothing more than ancient fairy tales. The Caliph declaring himself as the Prophet's successor is no different to the divine right of kings that we kicked into touch in the 17th century.

    Explain dinosaurs from a creationist perspective?
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    What's the point?
    It increasing your faith and gives a purpose in life, the way you live your life and how you act in relation to others
    It gives you a guidance in how you live your life etc.
    So you support lending yourself a falsifiable sense of purpose on a basis backed by no evidence?
    You support treating others kindly because a higher being told you to do so?
    You support abiding by certain guidelines which dictate your lifestyle because a book says you should?

    How about you find a purpose for living which is derived from your perceivable experience, not upon a baseless premise of an intelligent being granting you an afterlife?
    How about you treat others kindly because you want to reduce suffering, not because some supposed higher being wants you to?
    How about living your life as you see fit, pursuing your own happiness and the happiness of others, unconstrained by the rules a book contains?
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    What's the point?
    It increasing your faith and gives a purpose in life, the way you live your life and how you act in relation to others
    It gives you a guidance in how you live your life etc.
    All of which can be and is done without believing in the rest of the (rather sinister) nonsense perpetuated by organised religion.

    I also don't see how 'increasing your faith' is an inherently good thing, which is what you seem to imply.
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    god is just a metaphor for human ignorance - to believe in god is to believe in ignorance personified. how is that useful? what am I gaining from the belief in god? what about a mythological representation of our ignorance is credible today? why would the universe and its origin revolve around basically the idea of an all powerful (and even all-loving) wizard? how does this sound any different from the myths of ancient times?
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    Then how were you created
    This being, a human body, which is the most complex creation on this earth
    Was created by no one? It just came to be?
    its called science and evolution honey x
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    Why is this because we do not see God, so why do we believe in him?


    This is because we will not be able to withstand God beauty, just as we cannot stand to look at the sun's beauty with our two eyes
    Rubbish, we can't stand to look at the sun because it is too bright, not because it is too beautiful :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    The expansion of the universe
    "And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."(The Qur'an, 51:47)

    The earth orbiting around the sun
    While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit."It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. "(The Qur'an, 21:33)

    The sky
    We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs.."(The Qur'an, 21:32)This attribute of the sky has been proved by scientific research carried out in the 20th century.The atmosphere surrounding the earth serves crucial functions for the continuity of life. While destroying many meteors big and small as they approach the earth, it prevents them from falling to earth and harming living things.


    Would you like me to give you any more evidence? I would be happy to
    1) The universe isn't steadily expanding, it's accelerating so that's wrong.

    2) The verse about the sun being in an orbit in the context of night and day is wrong. Night and day is caused by the Earth spinning, not the sun. The sun orbits the centre of the Milky Way but the verse doesn't mention the galaxy at all so it cannot be taken to mean this. It is clearly a case of 7th century Arabs seeing the sun move across the sky and thinking the sun orbited the Earth.

    3) The verse about the sky is meaningless and not miraculous in the slightest.
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    (Original post by Paranoid_Glitch)
    I think atheists are often ignorant.
    Wait so someone who believes in what is basically magic is more ignorant than someone who wants evidence of some kind? Ok then carry on.
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    What's the point?
    It increasing your faith and gives a purpose in life, the way you live your life and how you act in relation to others
    It gives you a guidance in how you live your life etc.
    Correction. It makes you feel as if you have a purpose in life, with nothing to suggest what you've done will have changed the universe in any way. Every religious text makes it abundantly clear that Gods don't NEED our worship, they simply want it. You chose to follow the edicts of a faith because it gives you personal satisfaction but there are much more fun ways of finding satisfaction that following a code.

    You can get guidance on how to live you life from philosophies that have absolutely nothing to do with god at all.
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    (Original post by BefuddledPenguin)
    Because reality appears to have a strong atheist bias.
    It's not immediately obvious to me why this has to be the case.

    and as adults have the critical thinking skills to simply reject it the same way they rejected Santa when they were six.
    Okay, irrespective of the potential existence of God..

    Equating Santa with the existence of a deity probably doesn't indicate the strongest of critical thinking skills, although that's probably moreso due to ignorance of available philosophical literature (not necessarily a bad thing) or an influence from several New Atheists who don't really know what they speak of (a bad thing)

    Whilst at university I decided to read through the bible in full (I was an English Language and Literature student, English literature borrows a lot from the bible) and what I found was that not only does the book come across as less realistic than Harry Potter, but that god, as a concept, is fundamentally totalitarian. To believe in god is to believe that we are being watched and judged every second of every minute of every day. Not just for our actions, but for our thoughts and beliefs. This is literal thoughtcrime, having read 1984 just prior to reading the bible I found too many parallels between god and Big Brother. Except at least Big Brother wouldn't drag you to Room 101 just for having the wrong emotions, but envy is such a harsh sin it's even mentioned in the commandments.
    But you just said above that you went past Christian dogma, now you're referencing it again? How did reading the Bible make you abandon classical theism when you already abandoned the dogma previously? Perhaps CT, if true, is fine with bisexuality -- because of maximal benevolence. The Bible wouldn't necessarily negate that

    It's not some silly little rule like not eating shellfish or wearing two fabrics of clothes or the evil
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

    of decorating a tree. (That's right, christmas trees are sinful Jeremiah 10:1-5)
    No they're not. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/bad_religio...ristmas_trees/

    So not only am I an atheist now, but an antitheist, someone who is actively offended by the very concept of god and glad that every religious text is incorrect in their initial assumption, namely the existence of a theistic deity (or deities)
    How have you managed to confirm that? You've just said that it was reading the Bible that led you to finally leaving your faith and somehow you've not only extrapolated that to other forms of theism/religion but also concluded that it must be patently false? There are many forms of theism which aren't religious...

    excluding the texts of Buddhism and Scientology of course, which are wrong for different reasons.
    Like what? Have you read them too? (Buddhism isn't atheistic if that's what you're implying)

    The assumption that theistic dieties exist is not only patently false but would be
    As opposed to non-theistic deities?

    completely undesirable if true. If christianity was true, I'd ally with Satan in order to dethrone god, as such a throne cannot exist alongside freedom and morality.
    What does this mean?
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    What's the point?
    It increasing your faith and gives a purpose in life, the way you live your life and how you act in relation to others
    It gives you a guidance in how you live your life etc.
    Why can't my purpose be set by myself? For example becoming a successful artist or any other goals I set myself. Or even just being happy?

    And people have morals which guide them in their behaviour towards others. Otherwise what you're saying is we should act a certain way because a "god" says so. That is both foolish and mindless.

    Let me ask you this. If god didn't say that killing is wrong, would you kill?
    If he didn't say theft is wrong, would you steal?

    Not doing something just because "god" says not to shows how little you can actually think for yourself.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    Why do Muslims, Christians, Jews etc believe in a god?

    Because it's their choice

    Why do atheists not believe in a god?

    Because it's their choice.
    I don't think that you choose what to believe or disbelieve.

    You are heavily influenced by family/environment when you are very young, then you read, explore, you are convinced by some arguments and you are not convinced by some other

    you are inspired by some examples, some contacts, and not by other

    but you cannot actually "choose" what to believe and what to disbelieve : it simply happens

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    I don't think that you choose what to believe or disbelieve.

    You are heavily influenced by family/environment when you are very young, then you read, explore, you are convinced by some arguments and you are not convinced by some other

    you are inspired by some examples, some contacts, and not by other

    but you cannot actually "choose" what to believe and what to disbelieve : it simply happens

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    I don't think that it's true to say that you can't choose to believe something. With regards to religion, in particular, I've noticed plenty of people indulging in wish-thinking in the face of contradictory evidence and argument.
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    (Original post by serah.exe)
    Why do Muslims, Christians, Jews etc believe in a god?Because it's their choice
    Why do atheists not believe in a god?Because it's their choice.
    (Original post by mariachi)
    I don't think that you choose what to believe or disbelieve.

    You are heavily influenced by family/environment when you are very young, then you read, explore, you are convinced by some arguments and you are not convinced by some other

    you are inspired by some examples, some contacts, and not by other

    but you cannot actually "choose" what to believe and what to disbelieve : it simply happens


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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    I don't think that it's true to say that you can't choose to believe something. With regards to religion, in particular, I've noticed plenty of people indulging in wish-thinking in the face of contradictory evidence and argument.
    On this topic, I'd just like to say it's not that simple, you don't just choose what you want to believe. If you've been raised with a certain ideology and have been made to believe only what a certain book says is true, then it is not as simple as one day choosing to be an atheist. Most people stick to the religion/belief they were raised with. I agree with what Mariachi has to say.
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    (Original post by Bad Faith)
    On this topic, I'd just like to say it's that simple, you don't just choose what you want to believe. If you've been raised with a certain ideology and have been made to believe only what a certain book says is true, then it is not as simple as one day choosing to be an atheist. Most people stick to the religion/belief they were raised with. I agree with what Mariachi has to say.
    I'm not disputing that. Rather, I'm taking issue with what mariachi said about it being impossible to choose what you believe. That's not an argument against the influence of somebody's social environment in their formative years on their beliefs as an adult; it's just saying that wish-thinking is a real thing and is a frequent component of religious apologetics.
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    Then how were you created
    This being, a human body, which is the most complex creation on this earth
    Was created by no one? It just came to be?
    Thats just an argument from ignorance, i.e. I don't know who created life so it must be god. But that then begs the question who created god ad infinitum?
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    (Original post by Tahira__)
    Just want people serious answers I am just curious
    Why do atheists not believe in God? What do they then believe in?
    I guess we 'believe in' what has evidence to support it.

    There is absolutely zero valid evidence suggesting there is a god. However, scientific theory points us toward evolution, the big bang, plausible ideas about what came before the big bang...
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    On these things I always want to come out with aggressive things like: cause I use my (probably limited number) of brain cells, and actually think for myself.
    No evidence to suggest that there is any sort of deity that holds up to solid reasoning, and psychologically wanting there to be an afterlife and a god to defer to just makes sense as a cognitive construct rather than something which actually would likely or even could exist.
    Pretty clear evidence of a lack of a soul and so on, which is a pretty big component of most religions and the whole afterlife idea.
 
 
 
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