Sturgeon's Brexit Proposals - Who is she kidding?
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Original post by RogerOxon
Why do you mention that she is a woman?
Is that what you'd say to the 48.1% of the voters that wanted to stay in the EU?
Frankly, for 1.9% of voters to cause a multi-year process to start, reversing decades of work, is insane. Polls since have shown that the vote would go the other way. The referendum should always have required a reasonable majority, as the process is so long. We're now in the position where, when Brexit is actually triggered, the majority could actually be against it. I suspect that was actually the case when the vote happened, but that people thought it was a forgone conclusion.
Is that what you'd say to the 48.1% of the voters that wanted to stay in the EU?
Frankly, for 1.9% of voters to cause a multi-year process to start, reversing decades of work, is insane. Polls since have shown that the vote would go the other way. The referendum should always have required a reasonable majority, as the process is so long. We're now in the position where, when Brexit is actually triggered, the majority could actually be against it. I suspect that was actually the case when the vote happened, but that people thought it was a forgone conclusion.
Do you know how votes work? The side with the majority voter wins. If the vote had been remain, with similar results, would you protest for a second referendum? You probably would, as libtards hate democracy. Scotland obviously voted remain because they haven't bared the brunt of the EU... yet. Unlimited eastern European migrants = Economic suicide...
Original post by epoddoulc
Do you know how votes work? The side with the majority voter wins.
It can work like that, but there are votes where a certain majority is required, e.g. impeachment of the US President.
Original post by epoddoulc
If the vote had been remain, with similar results, would you protest for a second referendum?
No, I wouldn't, as it would be a vote to not over-turn decades of work on a 1.9% majority.
As Brexit is a multi-year process, and the vote was so close, when is it appropriate to have another referendum?
Original post by epoddoulc
Unlimited eastern European migrants = Economic suicide...
Did you notice what happened to the exchange rate?
Do you realise that the Brexit vote does not require the government to implement any restrictions on migrants? The vote was for Brexit, NOT the numerous claims of the leave campaign.
Original post by Maker
There is enough difference between the Catalan region of Spain and Scotland to let Scotland in.
For one thing, Spain is not leaving the EU and the Catalans do not have to apply to stay in the EU.
Scotland don't have to abide by a referendum by the rest of the UK. No one can force Scotland to leave the Union and Wales and NI would never vote to expel Scotland anyway.
Are you pulling your arguments out of a cracker?
For one thing, Spain is not leaving the EU and the Catalans do not have to apply to stay in the EU.
Scotland don't have to abide by a referendum by the rest of the UK. No one can force Scotland to leave the Union and Wales and NI would never vote to expel Scotland anyway.
Are you pulling your arguments out of a cracker?
Actually Wales and N,I wouldn't hesitate to boot Scotland out of the UK. Scots are like whining children, constantly complaining but reaping the benefits of their parent (in this case; England). If Scots want to leave, they will have to say bye to free healthcare, the military, free prescription, free university placements, housing support, tax credits, child benefits etc. The Scottish economy is laughable, their main export seems to be of heroin addicts and sheep stomach.
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Original post by epoddoulc
Actually Wales and N,I wouldn't hesitate to boot Scotland out of the UK. Scots are like whining children, constantly complaining but reaping the benefits of their parent (in this case; England). If Scots want to leave, they will have to say bye to free healthcare, the military, free prescription, free university placements, housing support, tax credits, child benefits etc. The Scottish economy is laughable, their main export seems to be of heroin addicts and sheep stomach.
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
I didn't know 5 year olds could type so well.
Original post by epoddoulc
Actually Wales and N,I wouldn't hesitate to boot Scotland out of the UK. Scots are like whining children, constantly complaining but reaping the benefits of their parent (in this case; England). If Scots want to leave, they will have to say bye to free healthcare, the military, free prescription, free university placements, housing support, tax credits, child benefits etc. The Scottish economy is laughable, their main export seems to be of heroin addicts and sheep stomach.
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Why is your avatar the Union Jack?
Original post by RogerOxon
Why is your avatar the Union Jack?
I love Britain (with the exception of Scotland)
Original post by Maker
I didn't know 5 year olds could type so well.
Slander is most often used when the argument is lost.
Original post by epoddoulc
Actually Wales and N,I wouldn't hesitate to boot Scotland out of the UK. Scots are like whining children, constantly complaining but reaping the benefits of their parent (in this case; England). If Scots want to leave, they will have to say bye to free healthcare, the military, free prescription, free university placements, housing support, tax credits, child benefits etc. The Scottish economy is laughable, their main export seems to be of heroin addicts and sheep stomach.
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Scotland would also have to re-apply for the EU and achieve all guidelines set which could take another ten years. Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Muh 'project fear'
Original post by epoddoulc
I love Britain (with the exception of Scotland)
Nice. Why don't you build a wall? Your name's not Donald by any chance?!
Original post by RogerOxon
It can work like that, but there are votes where a certain majority is required, e.g. impeachment of the US President.
No, I wouldn't, as it would be a vote to not over-turn decades of work on a 1.9% majority.
As Brexit is a multi-year process, and the vote was so close, when is it appropriate to have another referendum?
Did you notice what happened to the exchange rate?
Do you realise that the Brexit vote does not require the government to implement any restrictions on migrants? The vote was for Brexit, NOT the numerous claims of the leave campaign.
No, I wouldn't, as it would be a vote to not over-turn decades of work on a 1.9% majority.
As Brexit is a multi-year process, and the vote was so close, when is it appropriate to have another referendum?
Did you notice what happened to the exchange rate?
Do you realise that the Brexit vote does not require the government to implement any restrictions on migrants? The vote was for Brexit, NOT the numerous claims of the leave campaign.
You're clearly a special snowflake that hasn't seen the real effects of "freedom of movement", I can take you on a tour through my old neighbourhood in Leeds which is now inhabited by Roma gypsies (courtesy of the EU). Maybe you'd like to live there, with the rest of you EU friends? The EU have been screwing us over for years, we have no real reason to stay in the Union. Here's a few times the EU showed its usefulness:
• The EU paid Cadbury to move its Bristol factory to Poland in 2011 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Dyson to move its manufacturing from the UK to Malaysia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Twinings to move a large proportion of its manufacturing to Eastern Europe (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Ford to move its manufacturing of all Transit Vans to Turkey in 2013 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
•The British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicle to be built in Spain with EU grant, using Swedish steel, at request of EU to support jobs in Spain instead of Wales (resulting in a loss of UK jobs).
• The EU paid Hoover to move to Czech Republic (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) • The EU paid Indesit to move it's factory in Wales out of UK. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Peugeot to close it's factory in Ryton and move it to Slovakia. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Texas Instruments to move it's UK factory to Germany. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• Boots was sold to an Italian company who moved the HQ Switzerland to avoid tax (all with an EU grant. The EU supports tax-avoidance whenever it can) (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU is paying Jaguar Land Rover's to move it's factory to Slovakia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) So basically we pay £350m to the EU every week, then they pay it back to us in grants to move jobs away from the UK.?
Original post by RogerOxon
Nice. Why don't you build a wall? Your name's not Donald by any chance?!
I'd much rather build a tunnel between Romania and Scotland, so the gypsies can bypass England on their route to free benefits.
Original post by epoddoulc
I lived and worked in Paris for 4 years. I now live in California, so the Brexit vote has made me much richer in Pounds. I'm still against it.
Manufacturing jobs move to lower wage economies. Preventing that from happening will make businesses less competitive, and thus fail.
The fact is that this is a win-win for Scotland by putting these proposals forward.
If they do get greater devolved powers to the extent they can remain in the EU then obviously it would be a win for the fact that Scotland as a whole voted to remain in the EU and they don't have to face the risks and uncertainty of Brexit.
If they don't get greater devolved powers Sturgeon can use this as an excuse for a second referendum as it would be to clear to the Scottish population that the govt. is ignoring them.
If they do get greater devolved powers to the extent they can remain in the EU then obviously it would be a win for the fact that Scotland as a whole voted to remain in the EU and they don't have to face the risks and uncertainty of Brexit.
If they don't get greater devolved powers Sturgeon can use this as an excuse for a second referendum as it would be to clear to the Scottish population that the govt. is ignoring them.
Original post by epoddoulc
Actually Wales and Why would Brussels take on another cash straddled, irrelevant country? The EU want rich countries to exploit, not poor countries to help. However, Scotland could become another slave to Germany like Greece. That'd be quite pleasing, hopefully the Scots leave us and enter the cold world alone. Better stock up on the scotch
Want to become richer, better off getting rid of the North, Wales, and NI. Or you could make a sovereign state only consisting of the East, South East, and London. Because it is those three regions that are the only net contributors to the UK exchequer. Please don't talk ******** if you can't even be bothered to search any of your 'facts'
source: http://www.isitfair.co.uk/reports/public/oe%20ukpublicfinance.pdf
Original post by epoddoulc
Slander is most often used when the argument is lost.
Its not slander, its libel but its not libellous anyway.
Original post by RogerOxon
Nice. Why don't you build a wall? Your name's not Donald by any chance?!
There is a wall already.
Original post by epoddoulc
You're clearly a special snowflake that hasn't seen the real effects of "freedom of movement", I can take you on a tour through my old neighbourhood in Leeds which is now inhabited by Roma gypsies (courtesy of the EU). Maybe you'd like to live there, with the rest of you EU friends? The EU have been screwing us over for years, we have no real reason to stay in the Union. Here's a few times the EU showed its usefulness:
• The EU paid Cadbury to move its Bristol factory to Poland in 2011 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Dyson to move its manufacturing from the UK to Malaysia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Twinings to move a large proportion of its manufacturing to Eastern Europe (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Ford to move its manufacturing of all Transit Vans to Turkey in 2013 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
•The British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicle to be built in Spain with EU grant, using Swedish steel, at request of EU to support jobs in Spain instead of Wales (resulting in a loss of UK jobs).
• The EU paid Hoover to move to Czech Republic (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) • The EU paid Indesit to move it's factory in Wales out of UK. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Peugeot to close it's factory in Ryton and move it to Slovakia. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Texas Instruments to move it's UK factory to Germany. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• Boots was sold to an Italian company who moved the HQ Switzerland to avoid tax (all with an EU grant. The EU supports tax-avoidance whenever it can) (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU is paying Jaguar Land Rover's to move it's factory to Slovakia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) So basically we pay £350m to the EU every week, then they pay it back to us in grants to move jobs away from the UK.?
• The EU paid Cadbury to move its Bristol factory to Poland in 2011 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Dyson to move its manufacturing from the UK to Malaysia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Twinings to move a large proportion of its manufacturing to Eastern Europe (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Ford to move its manufacturing of all Transit Vans to Turkey in 2013 (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
•The British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicle to be built in Spain with EU grant, using Swedish steel, at request of EU to support jobs in Spain instead of Wales (resulting in a loss of UK jobs).
• The EU paid Hoover to move to Czech Republic (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) • The EU paid Indesit to move it's factory in Wales out of UK. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Peugeot to close it's factory in Ryton and move it to Slovakia. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU paid Texas Instruments to move it's UK factory to Germany. (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• Boots was sold to an Italian company who moved the HQ Switzerland to avoid tax (all with an EU grant. The EU supports tax-avoidance whenever it can) (resulting in a loss of UK jobs)
• The EU is paying Jaguar Land Rover's to move it's factory to Slovakia (resulting in a loss of UK jobs) So basically we pay £350m to the EU every week, then they pay it back to us in grants to move jobs away from the UK.?
It's capitalism, deal with it. Outsourcing will happen in order to lower costs of production. And when you say they give grants in order for this occur you are talking complete utter ******** yet again, at most they are loans. Please actually source what you are saying. And seriously??? '£350m to the EU every week.' this again. Even ****ing Farage says that's wrong at least get rid of the rebate???
Cadbury moved its factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Cadbury was bought by Kraft. Kraft shafted Cadbury. The EU had nothing to do with it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cadbury-closes-british-factory-to-move-101746
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers' pension funds.
Yes, Jaguar Land Rover built a new factory in Slovakia.
No it was not with an EU grant. And Tata is Indian so what’s that got to do with it? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/11/jaguar-land-rover-factory-slovakia-uk-jobs-union
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
Peugeot did move production to Slovakia, but again without an EU grant. There was an investigation as to whether Slovakia improperly gave EU money to Peugeot, but nothing seems to have come of it. http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/subsidise-peugeot-jobs-axe-3983259
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
This is the only one that seems to have some truth in it. Ford did get a loan (not a grant) from the EU for their Turkish plant (which was already building most of the Transits), and after that their Southampton plant closed. The EU had already loaned money to Ford UK but that doesn’t appear to have saved it. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10026411.Focus_on_Ford__The___80m_EU_loan_for_Ford_s_Turkish_Transit_plant/
British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Yes, the Ajax will be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel (the capitals betray the direct copying from the Mirror headline) but not at the request of the EU. Blame our own government for that one, they commissioned it. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-armys-new-fighting-vehicles-7928358
Dyson has gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone too far east with EU loan.
Texas Instruments Greenock went to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to the Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
All these factories did indeed move overseas. But not with EU money. Sticking “with EU grant” on the end of a sentence doesn’t make it a fact.
Hornby models were gone. In fact, all toys and models have now gone from the UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
What does this even mean? Hornby is still a UK company, and in fact, has bought many European companies. Like many companies, it moved manufacturing to China, but that’s nothing to do with the EU.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Yes ICI was bought by AkzoNobel, but not with EU money.There is no evidence that factories were closed at the time. Since then, AkzoNobel has closed a couple of plants because it has built a new one in Gateshead. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/56d5da5c-a7ea-11e0-afc2-00144feabdc0.html
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by epoddoulc
Unlimited eastern European migrants = Economic suicide...
Thst must be why Germany is so poor...
Original post by epoddoulc
Do you know how votes work? The side with the majority voter wins. If the vote had been remain, with similar results, would you protest for a second referendum? You probably would, as libtards hate democracy. Scotland obviously voted remain because they haven't bared the brunt of the EU... yet. Unlimited eastern European migrants = Economic suicide...
You're quite the idiot aren't you?
Those european migrants are propping up the NHS and putting far more into society than they take out. But Im guessing you're the typical brexiter so you don't have an understanding of economics.
Can you also please provide evidence that England, Wales and NI would like to kick Scotland.
Can I ask which area of the country you are from?
Also can you explain why Westminster fought to hard in their campaign for Scotland to remain?
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Davij038
Thst must be why Germany is so poor...
I think the fact they still have a proper manufacturing industry and not economy built on the service sector helps with that..
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