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    Hi,

    I recently graduate in summer 2016 in mathematics from a Russel group uni (just stating in case you wonder what sort of uni). I have zero work experience except that of retail which I have tons of. My cv and covering letter have been checked by those working at large financial banks and have said it's great. But have told me the lack of experience is what is stopping me and I am 100% aware that this is the problem.

    I have found only a few internships for graduates. Most are for undergraduates so thus making me not eligible. As for graduate schemes Most have closed and of the few left I have applied.

    Long story short, I feel my maths degree is useless due to the fact that whenever i apply for jobs they say "maths graduate wanted - but must have programming skills and lists a bunch of them", if I learn them programmes would my chance and if employement increase? Or will they say you still got no work experience?

    Agencies have been useless to say the least, most just promise roles but give them to others with experience which I can understand.

    Any thoughts ?
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    And I have a 2:1 and AAC at A- Level
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    Sadly work experiance matters so much in the UK.
    You need to find internships ASAP or else you'll lose more time that will cut into your monthly maintainence costs without a salary.

    Even if this means you'll have to travel to a new city, it really matters mate. During the months of intern, you can also take a part-time job for some loose change and make your work experiance profile more broad and flexible, as a lot of jobs, even banks, look for practical experiance.
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    (Original post by gshock)
    Hi,

    I recently graduate in summer 2016 in mathematics from a Russel group uni (just stating in case you wonder what sort of uni). I have zero work experience except that of retail which I have tons of. My cv and covering letter have been checked by those working at large financial banks and have said it's great. But have told me the lack of experience is what is stopping me and I am 100% aware that this is the problem.

    I have found only a few internships for graduates. Most are for undergraduates so thus making me not eligible. As for graduate schemes Most have closed and of the few left I have applied.

    Long story short, I feel my maths degree is useless due to the fact that whenever i apply for jobs they say "maths graduate wanted - but must have programming skills and lists a bunch of them", if I learn them programmes would my chance and if employement increase? Or will they say you still got no work experience?

    Agencies have been useless to say the least, most just promise roles but give them to others with experience which I can understand.

    Any thoughts ?
    Internship wise, have you also sent speculative applications to smaller financial firms too, such as a local one?

    What kind of job role would you like to do in finance?
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    Have you tried GCHQ. I hear they like to employ maths people.
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    (Original post by Boreism)
    Internship wise, have you also sent speculative applications to smaller financial firms too, such as a local one?

    What kind of job role would you like to do in finance?
    Yep, i've contacted a lot of companies both large and small for work experience and still nothing. Also im quite broad in terms of applications i have been applying or roles from analytical roles to banking and finance
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    (Original post by Big_Jon)
    Have you tried GCHQ. I hear they like to employ maths people.
    Yeah mate already applied and alas no luck at all. Also most of their stuff is all closed now due to the intakes being filled already
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    (Original post by gshock)
    Yeah mate already applied and alas no luck at all. Also most of their stuff is all closed now due to the intakes being filled already
    Sorry to hear that. Have you thought about teaching? To me a maths degree seems very generic. I have no doubt you are a very clever guy for doing a maths degree. But I think to get a job you need to have it applied to a field of knowledge like engineering. I can't think of anywhere that would just require some one to do maths all day. Have you tried Quientic or BAE systems? They might hire maybe.
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    Most schemes are closed now - and most operate on a 'first come first served' basis. With that in mind, I'd look to secure an internship over the summer (even unpaid where possible) and apply to graduate schemes when they open in September/October for 2018.

    Alternative, you could continue applying for entry level jobs (which make up the vast majority of graduate jobs), apply for a masters (if it makes financial sense) or get a part time job to tide you over in the mean time.
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    (Original post by gshock)
    Hi,

    I recently graduate in summer 2016 in mathematics from a Russel group uni (just stating in case you wonder what sort of uni). I have zero work experience except that of retail which I have tons of. My cv and covering letter have been checked by those working at large financial banks and have said it's great. But have told me the lack of experience is what is stopping me and I am 100% aware that this is the problem.

    I have found only a few internships for graduates. Most are for undergraduates so thus making me not eligible. As for graduate schemes Most have closed and of the few left I have applied.

    Long story short, I feel my maths degree is useless due to the fact that whenever i apply for jobs they say "maths graduate wanted - but must have programming skills and lists a bunch of them", if I learn them programmes would my chance and if employement increase? Or will they say you still got no work experience?

    Agencies have been useless to say the least, most just promise roles but give them to others with experience which I can understand.

    Any thoughts ?
    You need work experience, not just a degree and programming skills.

    After A levels, went on a gap year in Europe instead of straight to uni where I did loads of jobs (some in IT) to fund the food/rent/travel/fun. Came back in the summer.

    I started my IT/Math degree Sept last year, got a job doing IT by Xmas because I have work experience.
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    (Original post by Big_Jon)
    Have you tried GCHQ. I hear they like to employ maths people.
    I think they prefer Applied Maths and languages (like Arabic, Russian) along with coding skills...............and work experience.
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    Yes it is quite common for employers to pick those with experience rather than solely looking at qualifications. At the minute, I say the most important thing is to get experience, better in the field that you want. Apply for internships, work experience or volunteering placements which will help you. In the meantime, try and get experience in other areas, for example, part time jobs would show evidence of teamwork and communicating with customers, even if it is not directly related to the field you are looking for. Evening classes will help you socialise (maybe make more connections) and can provide you with skills, such as learning a new language - something to show you are filling your time well and make you stand out from others.
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    What about teaching or further study? Or even taking a gap year to get your bearings?
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    If you're applying for the banks and big 4, you've got very little chance without any work experience.

    If you're applying for anywhere else, you've got very little chance with nothing to separate yourself from everyone else.

    As you say, internships are mainly for undergraduates rather than graduates, so what I would advise doing is showing the employer you're willing to specialise in an area and give yourself an edge over all the other candidates with a Maths degree.

    The way to do this would be to save up to do a Masters. I don't know if there's specific roles you'd like to go into, but it may be worth doing a Financial Mathematics masters to improve your programming, apply your numeracy in real-world based projects and give yourself a different experience to be able to refer to in an interview setting.

    You can then start to look at pretty much any graduate role with either a problem solving, numerical or computational aspect to it and get your foot in the door.

    Everyone has a Bachelors these days, but not everyone has a Masters.

    (Source: got masters, got a job)
 
 
 
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