Don’t want to be a Muslim.

I have been following through with you're 'amazing' debate skills for quite a while. I must say, by my standards they are quite poor with lack of logic, maturity and coherence

No, I didn't understand your argument. If you want to know why, take a scroll above a little
Perhaps you should have attempted to understand mine before you so confidently rushed in to making yourself look a little silly

Look at the attacks on mosques and then think about what you comment next. Or are you not aware of what happened in New Zealand?
Do you feel cool or funny making fun of peoples religion? It's incredibly depressing that THIS is what you get your kicks out of. I pity you.

The only thing you gained from this post was the exercise of your hands... other than that pretty pointless and unnecessary to make you look foolish
Take a breather, treat yourself to a nice beverage and perhaps that you'll come back with something a little more refreshing or effective that can actually challenge me because this is costing me no effort and I must say I do love a little debate from time to time (only if its quality... yours aren't much tbh… a little boring reading the same things you've put repetitively and continuously for the last few years... *yawn*)

I did eat pork at a buffet, usually eat non halal food I don’t see the problem. I have very strong beliefs on agnosticism and have referred to myself as agnostic for the past 3 years. I hate stupid Islamic beliefs being shoved down my throat, my parents disagree with what I believe in.

Even satanism is better than islam in my opinion. I never back down and usually argue with them. My voice needs to be heard.

What should I do?
I’d rather kill myself then not believing in what I wanna believe in, it’s 2017 cmon!
Let people believe in whatever they want! It isn’t hurting nobody

You really didn't take up that beverage did you it shows
Poor arguments, poor quality, absolute shambles tbh

*head in hands* what are you going to respond with now? honestly cant think of more ways you can keep making yourself look like a fool
Anyway I'm just simply notifying you that I genuinely don't see anything challenging about your arguments and I don't want to spend another minute replying to cheap standard responses
So if I don't respond, just get the subtle message that your response was not worth replying too don't take it too personally
Although after that beverage, that I advised you to take (cus you sound a little frustrated and stressed), I might consider if it's worthwhile and challenging enough for me

It's clear that you've barely looked into Islam. Yes, submission to Allah is a part of the religion, and 'Islamic supremacy' as you say it is not true. Yes, any religion wants to spread, and it depends on many things about how it should be spread in Islam. You don't account for how Muslims are split on opinion in many things including fundamental aspects to the religion. It's far more complicated than people can comprehend in just a day of research for example.
Note that there are five pillars of Islam as a simple fact, by the way.
Now, as a Muslim I do not claim nor support the saying that Islam or any religion for that matter is a 'religion of peace'. I'm not delusional.

Quran 9:29:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Tasfir Ibn Kathir (first few lines as it's quite lengthy):
Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.
(Here's the rest)

How is this not about Islamic supremacy? Don't get me wrong, the other Abrahamic faiths are similar in this regard, but it's obvious that Islam is about supremacy.

As have I, making you wrong



Criticism of ideologies is perfectly legal and OK, coming under freedom of speech. No one has the right not to be offended. And it's not aggression, I'm not physically violent with anyone, I just choose to call out Islam for what it is, simple.



It clearly doesn't and you know it. Since when do people, in any meaningful number, just stop to have in-depth conversations with strangers about religion on the street..?



I repeat, I am free to insult an ideology in any way I choose, you don't have the right to not be offended. You'll notice that while you've been harping on about offensiveness that it's only you who's been personally attacking me, and not the other way round. Ideas are fair game, people are not.

Islam is claimed to be the perfect ideology for all time, therefore all of its moral standards must apply today as much as they did back then. This timeless perfection of the Quran is one of the most fundamental tenets of Islam so I would be very shocked indeed if you denied it.



Well then I'm afraid you used it incorrectly.


Says the person who has been insulting me (a person), while I have only been insulting ideas. You might want to fix that hypocrisy.

Nobody is making fun of your religion. We just don’t agree with its rules.

If you look at all these comments, most of these are directed to you, you'll see that the fault lies within you.

Are you actually stupid?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-truth-about-muslims-and-sex-slavery-according-to-the-quran-rather-than-isis-or-islamophobes-a6875446.html

Do your ****ing research before you make comments.

-wow, so interesting for you to tell me what my religon is about when IM the muslim and youre not. And for your information, its not. Maybe start a new thread to find out the real information instead of making assumptions.

Look at the attacks on mosques and then think about what you comment next. Or are you not aware of what happened in New Zealand?
Do you feel cool or funny making fun of peoples religion? It's incredibly depressing that THIS is what you get your kicks out of. I pity you.

**it research, mate. Do you want me to send you some links?

It's clear that you've barely looked into Islam. Yes, submission to Allah is a part of the religion, and 'Islamic supremacy' as you say it is not true. .

Yes, I've read the Qur'an. These verses were revealed when Islam was born. The Muslims at the time of course were in the minority and gained popularity, but gained in enemies too because of that. They had to defend the religion in holy wars, in which these verses and others were revealed. This I suppose is where 'supremacy' comes in, because they had to be supreme in battle and in wars. There is another element of that throughout the Qur'an where it says of course that Muslims are the true believers and others are misguided, although this is pretty standard.

There are Islamic prophecies which state that towards the end of the world, Muslims will be by far the minority and will be mocked like goats by the rest of the population. So, what's the point in 'Islamic Supremacy' if it'll eventually come to nothing anyway?

Yes, there are elements of it here and there but there are also things that can refute it. From me, I wouldn't say that Islam is about supremacy, however if you ask a different Muslim you may get a different answer.

So the rules are different now? You're saying the Quran isn't perfect and immutable? The problem with Abrahamic faiths is that you can't think it's wrong, so you have to go to such lengths to defend it. This level of mental gymnastics isn't healthy.

The 'prophecies' just highlight inconsistencies in the Quran.

Yes, that's another point I've made before, all scriptures are up to interpretation. That's the dangerous thing about relying solely on scripture- how do we know if Maajid Nawaaz's version of Islam is correct or ISIS'?

Look at not only the five pillars but also the six articles. They are all about submission to Allah. All the details are merely ways of expiating sin or accruing good deeds.
The Quran repeatedly stresses the goal of having all people submit to Allah and the superiority of Islam over all other faiths.
Submission and supremacy.
QED


This has nothing to do with my claim that Islam is essentially about submission to Allah and Islamic supremacy. It only demonstrates the ambiguous and contradictory nature of Islamic scripture.


So why all the disagreement and complexity?


And yet you do believe that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad as the final, perfect guide for all humanity. So it's bit like saying "Of course I believe the moon is made of cheese, but it's not Gorgonzola. I'm not delusional!"

Can't I question my own religion and still remain part of it? Do I not have the right to acknowledge that there may be contradictions in certain areas?

The answer to your question is - we don't know, because they are interpretations based on the opinion of whoever interprets it. This is why there are divides in many major religions because humans don't all agree on the same things. You have to study each verse meticulously, taking into account historical and textual context, in order to get as close as you can the 'true' meaning. This can take years and years which is why some people devote their lives to interpreting scriptures. It's a bit like studying Shakespeare if that makes sense. You cannot read/translate it literally to extract the meaning intended at the time. Similarly, Qur'anic Arabic is hard to read and understand even for those who are fluent in modern Arabic.