Johnson to renege on Withdrawal Agreement

This is a student room and the majority of students are obviously anti-Tory and against Brexit.

However these rooms are used by non students and especially right wing deluded and confused Tory Brexiteers who try their propaganda on a daily basis.

Many of the University Students here font even bother answering those Tory Brexiteers.

Universities are places for people who think that's why you can hardly find and Tory Voters or any Brexiteers.

In contrast outside Unis you will find plenty of uneducated, deluded, naive, and often stupid individuals, who were given the right by a reckless David Cameron to play roulette with the future of the country.

Your last sentence, while not ideal is spot on. A decision of this magnitude should never have been put out to the uneducated masses.

Sounds to me like you have White Privilege

It's also important to distinguish between "old old" voters and just plain "old" voters. Frequently polls show that those 65+ voted in favour of Brexit by the biggest numbers but they really should break down the numbers in 10 year intervals for a clearer picture. I think it would show the baby boomer generation even more in favour of Brexit whilst those older than that were less enthusiastic.

Answers in bold. I’ve got no time for what you think are your ‘witty’ remarks about political allegiance. Just stick with the argument at hand.

The polls might say that, but what do voters mean? Sovereignty is a fairly vague concept. To a lot of people, it is probably read as "fewer immigrants".

We know the race card was decisive in the referendum because Cummings deliberately chased it - their depth Facebook bombing organised by Cambridge Analytics and Palantir targeted white racists in their 40s, 50s and 60s who don't normally vote.

Omg, my irony meter has just shattered, how can an individual who partakes in so much ad hominem and off topic personal attacks be so fragile at a factual comment. You are right wing, I'm calling you something you are. My opinion is when ever the Tories are in sole charge they **** the country up, I'm not exactly being proven wrong, am I?

Now it isnt a witty remark or against the points in hand to point out that you would be a natural Tory voter if it wasn't for brexit, that's just fact - you told me!

Now addressing your points; you are correct lies were told across the spectrum but that doesn't make the entire leave argument a lie, it simply doesn't. Fact!

I'm no corbyn fan, I never (ever) have been. I'm angry at him for throwing away a goldern opportunity to bury the tories for a long time. Regards labour now, we are starting to look like a credible government in waiting again, which is nice to see. So you maybe correct, but Scotland is still the major thorn in our side.

Third sentence, dont vote Tory then. Lol seriously, I wish a different group of politicians was leading us at this time but.... we are where we are.

All I see is you supposed left wing -pro right wing EU people falsely using the race card to reinforce your own beliefs.

Sovereignty in reality is a bit of a fallacy, the whole Brexit debate was to be fair. It was two illusions the illusion of greater economic security in the EU (which is a fallacy) vs the illusion of greater sovereignty outside of it.

I had the misfortune (largely due to my own bad planning) to study British sovereignty not once but four times in my first year at university because of a poorly judged selection of course choices ranging across History, Politics (where I learned about it both in the UK Politics module AND in political philosophy) and Law. I've also therefore had the misfortune of watching Brexiters (although we didn't call them that in 2001) getting schooled on sovereignty and their misunderstanding of it as it relates to the EU four times over in seminars by a broad range of academics.

Sovereignty is a duff argument as we proved when the UK Parliament legislated to invoke Article 50. The fact that we can leave by an Act of Parliament is clear evidence that we always had sovereignty. David Davis' own white paper admitted as much.

What Brexiters were actually complaining about were international treaties that our sovereign Parliament signed up to. It was an active choice made by British Governments to make us better off and was no different to our memberships of NATO, the World Bank, the IMF, the WTO etc. This is probably why Brexiters are having such a hard time in trade negotiations because every time you come to an agreement with another country or bloc there is going to be a degree of agreeing not to do things domestically. For example, the Japanese trade agreement is likely to be even more restrictive on state subsidies than the one we were trying to negotiate with the EU.

We are where we are thanks to many of you who voted either for the Tories in consecutive elections or for Brexit or both..

Certainly not my fault or the other users
fault who voted for neither!

But don't worry as England will soon break free not only from the EU but from the entire UK, when the Scots finally get their referendum, and what follows, i.e a domino effect...

Remember that those people fear the electorate. They believe that a free UK will abolish all rights and even go to the extend of sympathy for independance movements. Socialism in one country no matter the rest.

Yes, because white is the true power...

Or simply going to university and earning a degree gives you the impression that you can tell others what to do who hasn't. I've dealt with your kind before pal and believe me. Your more entertaining to me than you believe

Going to University and earning a degree?? What this has to do with the entire conversation??

Do you claim that I am from a white privileged background or have elitism in my ideology?

You have dealt with my kind of people before... Can you please elaborate and make some analysis on this one please...

You seriously talk nonsense here if you have realised...

*Just stopped at second paragraph* Are you serious? You are not going to quote the very argument back to me that i gave you! *read on* Yep you did

The argument is weather we are better outside of the rules of the club, the club being the EU, which the rules limit our sovereignty. So to say we had our ability to do as we please but cannot do XY or Z while we are members of the EU is exactly the reason those voters was voting leave for, which comes under sovereignty! I cant believe I've had to explain that

Regards the third paragraph you are correct, that's why we are talking about illusions as I said above. Now again there is nothing wrong with someone disagreeing with chosen path of previous elected leaders, that's called democracy. It's not a valid argument that we did it once before so we must do it forever and cannot evaluate its performance. That's not how the world works

Despite your arrogance and your rudeness, you are one of those people who doesn't understand sovereignty and hasn't had the opportunity to be schooled yet!

Clearly that's why I explained in my original post exactly what you have just babbled on about. If you are going to disagree with me, actually disagree with me dont make the same point!

The trouble is you're trying to argue against my point that voters didn't understand what sovereignty was. If you agree with me on this, then logically you can't disagree that all those sovereignty voters didn't know what they were voting for.

Omg, my irony meter has just shattered, how can an individual who partakes in so much ad hominem and off topic personal attacks be so fragile at a factual comment. You are right wing, I'm calling you something you are. My opinion is when ever the Tories are in sole charge they **** the country up, I'm not exactly being proven wrong, am I?

Now it isnt a witty remark or against the points in hand to point out that you would be a natural Tory voter if it wasn't for brexit, that's just fact - you told me!

Now addressing your points; you are correct lies were told across the spectrum but that doesn't make the entire leave argument a lie, it simply doesn't. Fact!

I'm no corbyn fan, I never (ever) have been. I'm angry at him for throwing away a goldern opportunity to bury the tories for a long time. Regards labour now, we are starting to look like a credible government in waiting again, which is nice to see. So you maybe correct, but Scotland is still the major thorn in our side.

Third sentence, dont vote Tory then. Lol seriously, I wish a different group of politicians was leading us at this time but.... we are where we are.

Entire leave campaign was a bunch of lies. Bunch of utopian promises that can never come true. Simple as that pal. Where’s that £350million that was plastered on the bus?