Do you think you will ever want children?
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Original post by Birkenhead
This isn't obvious at all. For one, your mind may change, of you will discover that you and/or your partner are infertile, or you and/or your partner will decide that you will never be financially and/or emotionally secure enough to do so, or you will fall in love with a paedophobe and bend to their wishes.
This isn't obvious at all. For one, your mind may change, of you will discover that you and/or your partner are infertile, or you and/or your partner will decide that you will never be financially and/or emotionally secure enough to do so, or you will fall in love with a paedophobe and bend to their wishes.
Why are you being so negative for? People like you make me angry.
Original post by Blue_Mason
So you'll be the main bread winner?
Well I don't know how my life's gonna pan out but I'd like my wage to be enough for me and my future children to live comfortably, I'm not too bothered about how much my future partner would earn.
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Original post by al_94
Why are you being so negative for? People like you make me angry.
I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic. I'm sorry if reality brings you down but it's always good to be aware of it.
If this thread is representative Britain is going to be extinct by 2100.
Original post by Observatory
If this thread is representative Britain is going to be extinct by 2100.
18% of people remaining childless would not result in that.
Probably in the future.
I might look into adopting.
I might look into adopting.
Original post by Birkenhead
18% of people remaining childless would not result in that.
I didn't vote in the poll, so didn't see the results. The replies to the thread seem overwhelmingly anti-natalist. Perhaps anti-natalists just feel more need to justify their position.
I really wanna have kids! 
I get serious baby feels quite a lot!
but obviously, not for a long time yet
I get serious baby feels quite a lot! but obviously, not for a long time yet
Original post by Birkenhead
What does it being natural have to do with whether it's desirable or advisable for individuals? Of course, what is natural for a species generally may not be natural for individuals within that species, as this thread demonstrates.
Since we are no longer at all an endangered species, and if anything overpopulation is more of a threat to us by straining public services etc., it seems more sensible not to have children than to have them simply on the redundant, dubious basis that it's 'natural'; this is all the truer if you are one of those people who really wants children on this irrational instinct but who wouldn't make a good parent. Selfishly looking to 'live on' doesn't seem like any more of a defensible basis for bringing a human being dependent into the world. Might I suggest writing a novel instead?
This isn't obvious at all. For one, your mind may change, of you will discover that you and/or your partner are infertile, or you and/or your partner will decide that you will never be financially and/or emotionally secure enough to do so, or you will fall in love with a paedophobe and bend to their wishes.
Since we are no longer at all an endangered species, and if anything overpopulation is more of a threat to us by straining public services etc., it seems more sensible not to have children than to have them simply on the redundant, dubious basis that it's 'natural'; this is all the truer if you are one of those people who really wants children on this irrational instinct but who wouldn't make a good parent. Selfishly looking to 'live on' doesn't seem like any more of a defensible basis for bringing a human being dependent into the world. Might I suggest writing a novel instead?
This isn't obvious at all. For one, your mind may change, of you will discover that you and/or your partner are infertile, or you and/or your partner will decide that you will never be financially and/or emotionally secure enough to do so, or you will fall in love with a paedophobe and bend to their wishes.
It being natural tends to make it desirable for individuals insofar as natural selection has selected those genes that reproduce since the organism that evolved into human beings has been sexually dimorphic. We were never (in recorded history) an endangered species (though at a lower level, genes are often in danger of extinction), and more than overpopulation it's overrepresentation of the opportunistic feckless who bring societal dependents (as opposed to familial dependents) while liberals hole up on the moral high ground selfishly trying to live on through novels and other things they have no talent for.
Original post by miser
I don't particularly want to have children, but I appreciate if I had a wife she might feel differently, so maybe one day. Not any time soon.
Pretty much my response.
Original post by Observatory
If this thread is representative Britain is going to be extinct by 2100.
It's actually very representative of the middle classes of western consumer capitalist countries. Which is probably the make up of TSR mostly. It has been like this for a while and no Britain wont become extinct. That's what immigration is for. It will only become a problem if the whole world becomes like that. But then managed reduced global population would probably be a good thing.
Is nothing to worry about.
Yes. At least 3.
While I can't stand babies and previously had no intention, in recent years the idea of producing a genetic and intellectual heir has become quite important to me, to continue my bloodline and produce children superior to the mediocre stock which pollute our species and country with their values (entitlement, blame culture, political disengagement, extreme socialism).
While I can't stand babies and previously had no intention, in recent years the idea of producing a genetic and intellectual heir has become quite important to me, to continue my bloodline and produce children superior to the mediocre stock which pollute our species and country with their values (entitlement, blame culture, political disengagement, extreme socialism).
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Might it be a problem if the middle class hollows out and we become a country of working class immigrants?
Original post by Observatory
Might it be a problem if the middle class hollows out and we become a country of working class immigrants?
If you have a phobia of such people yes.
Immigrants do not have to be working class either. The Pharmaceutical industry in this country takes on lots of Indians for example.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
If you have a phobia of such people yes.
I won't be around to see it, and nor will you, and nor will our non-existent children. The question is whether people of that time will want to live in a society which is overwhelmingly composed of low-aptitude and low-income people.
Immigrants do not have to be working class either. The Pharmaceutical industry in this country takes on lots of Indians for example.
Do you expect them to have consistently higher birth rates?
Original post by Observatory
I won't be around to see it, and nor will you, and nor will our non-existent children. The question is whether people of that time will want to live in a society which is overwhelmingly composed of low-aptitude and low-income people.
Do you expect them to have consistently higher birth rates?
Do you expect them to have consistently higher birth rates?
I;m a low income person.
You can shove your social prejudice where the sun don't shine.
(edited 9 years ago)
Yes hopefully. After sorting my life out, finishing uni and finding a job as a nutritionist. If I end up having children, I would like to have 2.
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