Time for Labour to get a new leadership

What 'grand, thorough structural reform' would you suggest?

The idea that Blairites were soft Tories underestimates both the ambition of Blair and Brown's policies at the time and the draconianism of the Tory party. The minimum wage, freedom of information, the Human Rights Act, gender equality legislation, banning the legal rape of wives by husbands, the Good Friday Agreement, gay partnerships and the equalisation of the legal age for gay sex, lifted millions out of poverty... the list goes on and on and on. He produced an oeuvre of statutes shaped by one coherent political philosophy.

The Tories would have likely done none of these things between 97 and 07. Blair did not just win three elections, he took huge strides to change this country for the better from a resolutely centre-left perspective.

Corbyn will leave behind absolutely nothing except a career defined by lazily researched virtue-signalling and thousands of selfies with his adoring, imbecilic fans.

What 'grand, thorough structural reform' would you suggest?

The idea that Blairites were soft Tories underestimates both the ambition of Blair and Brown's policies at the time and the draconianism of the Tory party. The minimum wage, freedom of information, the Human Rights Act, gender equality legislation, banning the legal rape of wives by husbands, the Good Friday Agreement, gay partnerships and the equalisation of the legal age for gay sex, lifted millions out of poverty... the list goes on and on and on. He produced an oeuvre of statutes shaped by one coherent political philosophy and they have mostly remained in place in some form ever since.

The Tories would have likely done none of these things between 97 and 07. Blair did not just win three elections, he took huge strides to change this country for the better from a resolutely centre-left perspective.

Corbyn will leave behind absolutely nothing except a career defined by lazily researched virtue-signalling and thousands of selfies with his adoring, imbecilic fans.

Ok... what has that got to do with the above?

I don’t see what your parents have to do with anything, unless you hate them and blame their politics? Maybe go and see a counsellor?

Blair won 3 elections I don’t care how many civilians he blew up!!!1!!

I think you have a romantic, utopian view of revolutionary socialists/marxists.
Nothing like a bit of practical experience to broaden your horizons.

Get to know a few trots, swp, uaf, marxists and members of the communist party.
Then you will understand the revolutionary agenda and their typical tactics.
Very few positive elements there.
An abundance of of conspiracy theorists, sinister cranks and quite a few like the troll I've already greeted on this thread.
The one with the off-topic rant about "Zionist shills", "Jewish Oligarchs" and Israel.

Where, abroad eg Venezuela or at home or both?

Why?

As a communist i’m sympathetic to genuine revolutionary movements obviously. Abroad, definitely not unless they represent a direct threat and have already declared war or commenced hostilities.

Yeah, its a vicious cycle. Neocon after neoliberal occupying the highest level of political office...

PRSOM.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing the collective meltdown of people like Gove or Dan Hodges if Corbyn gets into office.,.

At home first preferably. Well democracy has failed, when you give this much power (arguably not that much) power to people you get what we had, Just look around at the people and ask yourself if you want those people having a vote or a say in anything, people wouldnt care if we lived under a dictatorship but had a wonderful life, they just view democracy as some sacred cow.

Miliband is recent, people barely remember Blair and he’s about as popular as ebola.

The average age for voters is nearly 50. In other words the average voter might struggle to remember Harold Wilson, but would have no problem with Jim Callaghan, let alone Thatcher, Major or Blair.

Blair was so unpopular that 9.5 million people voted Labour in 2005 after the invasion of Iraq.

Out of interest, did you ever vote for him?

I didn’t vote for Blair. First time I voted anything other than Tory was this year’s local elections.

Far too young for Callaghan. First time I voted would have been the 1984 local elections; probably failing to oust

https://www.politics.ox.ac.uk/academic-faculty/iain-mclean.html

from Central Ward.

I didn’t vote for Blair. First time I voted anything other than Tory was this year’s local elections.

So you’re a Tory.

Look if you like Blair great, more power to you. A lot of people on the Tory party also like Blair- eg May, Gove etc. Peter Hitchens even said that Blairism was successfully transferred to the Tory party (although that’s probably no longer the case now)

But please understand that understand that for many of the reasons Blair is appealing for Tories is why so many labour voters now despise him and have chosen to replace him and his followers with someone more appealing to us.

As a Tory how would you feel if there was a Tory prime minister who agrees with Corbyn on economics and foreign policy who raised taxes and scrapped trident say? And labour voters were telling you what s great job they are doing?

Blair was often more leftish than Brown, especially during the earlier years - Brown's pose as the true leftie desperate to remove the awful rightist Blair so he could return Labour to the correct course was just that - a pose. I would recommend reading the Campbell diaries on this - I know he isn't regarded as a trustworthy source by the Momentum-oriented folk, but it's all there. Blair's Big Crime was aligning with GW Bush too closely after 9/11. I find it difficult to know how else he could have acted at that time. The US was in a mood to crush anyone who got in the way with their unchallenged superpower vengeance. We would at the very least have been marked well down as an ally. That might have suited many on the harder left, but would it have been good for the people of the UK? Blair also repeatedly tried to raise the obvious defects in the Iraq planning - these were ignored in DC, perhaps demonstrating the futility of the so-called Special Relationship, but at least he tried. The low point was the dodgy dossier and that is pretty indefensible. By then Blair was boxed in by his own decisions.

Hitchens is a little bit barking on Blairism. He convinced himself that it's all a Eurocommunist plot, something he mainly I suspect based on Blair's use of the phrase 'Third Way' which had a lot more to do with Clintonism and the US democrats than with Italian Gramschi-ists and their alleged grip on the EU.

Brown won off the back of what he'd done, and then Cameron kinda won doing the same thing. Essentially, Blairism won 4 GEs in a row and the left despises that level of success...