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    (Original post by Waliid)
    Thanks for your opinion and I will look into the site. Thanks for that btw.


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    It is not possible to know to much. Now knowing to little, that's the problem.
    Well done for considering it.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    It is not possible to know to much. Now knowing to little, that's the problem.
    Well done for considering it.
    The problem is most people just read the translation and then say that's error or mistake. Arabic language is complicated and now I am trying learn it so that I can understand it for myself rather than reading the translation. I think that's what others need to do too rather than looking at someone's translation and saying something based on that translation,


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    (Original post by Waliid)
    The problem is most people just read the translation and then say that's error or mistake. Arabic language is complicated and now I am trying learn it so that I can understand it for myself rather than reading the translation. I think that's what others need to do too rather than looking at someone's translation and saying something based on that translation,


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    There are certain things even translations cannot explain such as numbers, names and facts. The Koran says "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Quran 9:30. Uzair being Ezkiel in its English translation. Judaism has been a strictly monotheistic religion since the early days of its creation, they have not viewed Ezekiel as God ever. God isn't referring to a specific group of Jews but instead all Jews, did God make a mistake? God cannot make a mistake therefore it cannot be written by God.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Nonsense, an author being dead has no impact on the genius of their work. And that's simply wrong, the Qur'an contains loads of mistakes, contradictions and scientific errors, many of which have been discussed in depth on this site, it's obvious you're new here.

    How are there mistakes in Shakespeare's plays? I don't think you know what you're talking about if you think Shakespeare wrote novels...

    Their works can be compared to supposedly divine scriptures. I've read much of the Qur'an and find it horribly boring, repetitive and tedious. I much prefer Shakespeare's work.
    The Quran contains no contradictions, no scientific errors and no mistakes.

    Can you find me one scientific error and quote where in the Quran it is located?


    Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy, In the university of Toronto, Canada.
    He says that the Quran contains the description of full embryonic development, which was revealed in the 7th century AD. As far as embryology is concerned, little or nothing was known about the classification of embryonic development until the 20th century. He therefore quotes that "For this reason, the description of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Mohammed from God. He could not have known such details for he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training."


    Now I'm not trying to prove Islam correct, but this is just one of the many scientific explanations in the Quran that could not have been known in the past. If that doesn't come across to you as something worth looking into, then I don't know what is.
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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    The Quran contains no contradictions, no scientific errors and no mistakes.

    Can you find me one scientific error and quote where in the Quran it is located?


    Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy, In the university of Toronto, Canada.
    He says that the Quran contains the description of full embryonic development, which was revealed in the 7th century AD. As far as embryology is concerned, little or nothing was known about the classification of embryonic development until the 20th century. He therefore quotes that "For this reason, the description of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Mohammed from God. He could not have known such details for he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training."


    Now I'm not trying to prove Islam correct, but this is just one of the many scientific explanations in the Quran that could not have been known in the past. If that doesn't come across to you as something worth looking into, then I don't know what is.
    But Arabic is really complicated, how do we know it's not misinterpreted™?
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    There are certain things even translations cannot explain such as numbers, names and facts. The Koran says "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Quran 9:30. Uzair being Ezkiel in its English translation. Judaism has been a strictly monotheistic religion since the early days of its creation, they have not viewed Ezekiel as God ever. God isn't referring to a specific group of Jews but instead all Jews, did God make a mistake? God cannot make a mistake therefore it cannot be written by God.
    There are many scholars who say that all the Torah were burned and then Uzair made new Torah as he has memorised all of it and then after he rewrote it then that's when they took as the son of God. That's only some of Jews too. The Quran says the Jews and not all of the Jews. So "the" could be referred to one or two or more. Like saying how was the food. You are not actually referring to all the food on the world are you?. Just "The" one"


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    Any ways I am not a scholar so if you want to know more it's better you ask somethings with more knowledge. I myself trying to learn more about the religion as its obligatory for Muslim to increase his/her knowledge.


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    (Original post by Tooly)
    But Arabic is really complicated, how do we know it's not misinterpreted™?
    Quran unlike other holy texts made loads of bold claims using the best scientific ideas of the time. For every 4 claims it made, 1 was correct and the other 3 Muslims choose to ignore. The Quran says that the moon has an orbit which Muslims celebrate as fact because it's true "the Quran is right they say" but also the Quran says that the sun travels in the orbit which is false "it's just a metaphor, bad translation or it doesn't matter". They make bold claims but don't be assured by their confidence because it is arrogance.
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    (Original post by Faisalshamallakh)
    The Quran contains no contradictions, no scientific errors and no mistakes.
    It does, there are plenty.

    Can you find me one scientific error and quote where in the Quran it is located?
    Of course, here is a list to get you started

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific...s_in_the_Quran (And before you dismiss this site as many muslims do, you'll notice that all its points are referenced by the relevant passage in the Qur'an).


    Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy, In the university of Toronto, Canada.
    He says that the Quran contains the description of full embryonic development, which was revealed in the 7th century AD. As far as embryology is concerned, little or nothing was known about the classification of embryonic development until the 20th century. He therefore quotes that "For this reason, the description of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Mohammed from God. He could not have known such details for he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training."
    Oh dear, you haven't spent much time on the religion section here, have you? Keith Moore has been discussed in depth and his work debunked. He made those comments on Islam being true while he was being paid for research by a Saudi Uni, but guess what happened once the the Uni stopped paying him? He denied that anything in the Qur'an, specifically on embryology was miraculous :mmm:

    Moreover, embryology is one of the areas of "scientific knowledge" in the Qur'an that is hopelessly wrong. It fails to mention the female ovum (pretty bad for the all-knowing creator of the universe, right?), says that a foetus is a blood clot and compares it to a leech (both utterly incorrect) and says that semen originates from between the backbone and ribs (false).

    The Qur'an simply plagiarised the embryologic science known at the time from the Ancient Greeks, who coincidentally made many of the same errors found in the Qur'an.

    Now I'm not trying to prove Islam correct, but this is just one of the many scientific explanations in the Quran that could not have been known in the past. If that doesn't come across to you as something worth looking into, then I don't know what is.
    Aside from most of the embryology being wrong and thus debunking the Qur'an, it was known at the time. The ancient greeks, as mentioned, had already studied embryology.

    Even muslim apologists like Hamza Tzortzis are saying that the scientific miracles narrative is an intellectual embarrassment for muslims and that it should be abandoned.

    You may want to watch this video from a fellow muslim



    He makes many mistakes about the scientific method, mind you, but the gist of the video is correct.
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    (Original post by m3m)
    Not gonna happen.
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    Well I don't believe that would happen.
    Religion really limits your imagination (I mean, other than believing in a God and all that magical stuff).
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    (Original post by Waliid)
    There are many scholars who say that all the Torah were burned and then Uzair made new Torah as he has memorised all of it and then after he rewrote it then that's when they took as the son of God. That's only some of Jews too. The Quran says the Jews and not all of the Jews. So "the" could be referred to one or two or more. Like saying how was the food. You are not actually referring to all the food on the world are you?. Just "The" one"


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    Once again the idea that Uzair made a new Torah is impossible to prove and Jews will refuse sternly. This is just one criticism of hundreds read more and see if you can excuse them all. A scholar in Saudi Arabia says the world is flat, they're not always right just because they've spent their life interpreting a book from 1400 years. Now look at mathematical errors. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific...ereditary_Laws
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    Once again the idea that Uzair made a new Torah is impossible to prove and Jews will refuse sternly. This is just one criticism of hundreds read more and see if you can excuse them all. A scholar in Saudi Arabia says the world is flat, they're not always right just because they've spent their life interpreting a book from 1400 years. Now look at mathematical errors. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific...ereditary_Laws
    http://youtu.be/bw33I61DNN0


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    I believe I am correct in understanding that this man claims that the Quran has two Separate rules for different people inheriting a persons wealth. The Quran does not state these rules are seperate explicitly meaning if you interpret it literally work for work the error is still there, also while his claim isn't more than 1 it is less than 1 therefore there is a fraction of wealth to be allocated which the Quran has not advised on. Why is this? If the Qurans author wanted there to be a strict set of rules on the allocation of wealth why wasn't he clearer and where does he want to excess wealth to go. Why didn't he create a simplistic Algebraic mathematical equation which would work for all eternity with similar proportions of wealth allocated, could God not create Algebra. If humans can create Algebra and God cannot does that mean that humans are smarter than God? I agree that his interpretation is possible but it leaves many lose ends on the book which is supposed to answer all questions. There is uncertainty and I've only two examples of the available dozens.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    I believe I am correct in understanding that this man claims that the Quran has two Separate rules for different people inheriting a persons wealth. The Quran does not state these rules are seperate explicitly meaning if you interpret it literally work for work the error is still there, also while his claim isn't more than 1 it is less than 1 therefore there is a fraction of wealth to be allocated which the Quran has not advised on. Why is this? If the Qurans author wanted there to be a strict set of rules on the allocation of wealth why wasn't he clearer and where does he want to excess wealth to go. Why didn't he create a simplistic Algebraic mathematical equation which would work for all eternity with similar proportions of wealth allocated, could God not create Algebra. If humans can create Algebra and God cannot does that mean that humans are smarter than God? I agree that his interpretation is possible but it leaves many lose ends on the book which is supposed to answer all questions. There is uncertainty and I've only two examples of the available dozens.
    You do know that Quran is just a guide and not mathematics or science book with explanation for everything. There are something which you won't understand by just reading the Quran but if you look at the Hadith then you will understand it.


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    (Original post by Waliid)
    You do know that Quran is just a guide and not mathematics or science book with explanation for everything. There are something which you won't understand by just reading the Quran but if you look at the Hadith then you will understand it.


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    If it's a book from God then it should have everything. Why should you rely on a Hadith which may be false in order to find the truth. if it was perfect it would have everything or else it's followers aren't informed on how to make the right decisions therefore they are at risk of going to hell. The Quran cannot be perfect as it does not answer all of the questions and you've admitted it yourself. If it's in the Hadith then why wasn't it in the Quran to begin with, did Mohammed think of something which God didn't. I've got homework now so let's finish this up quick,remember to look at the website I had shown you.
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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    I used to study Physics at AS level. It was a subject I was not really good in, but I did it any way because I felt it was an important subject which would help me get into the university course I wanted (chemical engineering).

    I didn't do well in Physics, in the end. However, I can be comforted in the fact that I did learn some new things which I found interesting, and that at least I tried doing well. It's far better than not having studied the subject or not putting any effort in doing well at all.
    This is completely irrelevant to OP's question but may I ask what you ended up doing at uni? And where do you think you went wrong? I'm in a similar position to what you were in- not too great at physics and want to do chemical engineering at uni! I got a low B at AS :\
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    (Original post by Nenestar98)
    This is completely irrelevant to OP's question but may I ask what you ended up doing at uni? And where do you think you went wrong? I'm in a similar position to what you were in- not too great at physics and want to do chemical engineering at uni! I got a low B at AS :\
    Plot twist:

    I actually did IB, did well in physics, but never considered doing engineering.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    If it's a book from God then it should have everything. Why should you rely on a Hadith which may be false in order to find the truth. if it was perfect it would have everything or else it's followers aren't informed on how to make the right decisions therefore they are at risk of going to hell. The Quran cannot be perfect as it does not answer all of the questions and you've admitted it yourself. If it's in the Hadith then why wasn't it in the Quran to begin with, did Mohammed think of something which God didn't. I've got homework now so let's finish this up quick,remember to look at the website I had shown you.
    All I was saying is that you can't expect to find every answer in one book even if it's from God. Imagine what the Quran will be like if it had everything you had in mind. Quran is the book of signs. The Quran is a guide and for the rest of it you look for in the Hadith. I've looked at the website and it's not very good at explaining them probably. It mentions of something which is wrong but doesn't explain it every well.


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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    Plot twist:

    I actually did IB, did well in physics, but never considered doing engineering.
    *GASP* I'm dying because everyone looked at your original post as something to learn from.. and you lied :clap2:
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    (Original post by Waliid)
    All I was saying is that you can't expect to find every answer in one book even if it's from God. Imagine what the Quran will be like if it had everything you had in mind. Quran is the book of signs. The Quran is a guide and for the rest of it you look for in the Hadith. I've looked at the website and it's not very good at explaining them probably. It mentions of something which is wrong but doesn't explain it every well.


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    Right I've got to go but remember the mark of an intelligent man is someone who can entertain an idea without accepting it, well done for thinking about it. To use your point that website cannot list every error with a very detailed and drawn out explanation for each point because it would be to much. Also some questions are not answered by the Hadith either which leads to doubt and uncertainty on some issues, this is a flaw and therefore perfection is unachievable. I remember reading on another website about the Samaritans and Moses even though the Samaritans didn't exist in moses' times, so it's not all there. Question everything and accept nothing easily, that is the path to enlightenment.
 
 
 
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