Branding the British Army

Cheers for the link:
'The source said the 'shot was one in a million' and added that he didn't believe it was planned.'

I've played pool and potted four balls by accident.

Was this people being their best?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sas-recruitment-deaths-three-soldiers-died-brecon-beacon-exercise-charged-negligence-british-army-a8032731.html

That't the length people will to go to and still people like yourself continue to disrespect the armed forces and what they do.

How about you find a topic you can actually put some thought and consideration into considering you didn't know what the SAS was an hour ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2364723/Tested-destruction-Ex-SAS-officer-reveals-terrifying-selection-process-special-forces.html

"Even the U.S. military admits that the SAS is pretty damn good. The Americans styled their special forces elite, Delta Force, on the British regiment, right down to the selection process."

"It is that selection process that underpins the excellence of the SAS. It lasts for five months and has a 90 per cent fail rate."

The SAS/SBS/SRR are THE best in the world. All soldiers strive to be the best. Hence why the selection process is so rigorous, and the US military base their selection process on the UKSF's.

It's not up for debate really.

the death were because the people couldnt handle the training. this is why SAS is fierce and not every man can join. You need to be damn special and clearly you are just ignorant.

How old are you?
I watched Sean Bean in Bravo Two Zero in 1999.

I jested at your question 'And also, you do realise that people can specialise into the UKSF such as the SAS?'. That was condesending.

The selection process for my job after uni took nine months and had a 97.8 per cent fail rate. Yet the claim you make is the army would make me the best? Seemingly lower entry requirement. And the £45k captain pay would be a 20% cut. Admittedly, the ancillary benefits probably bridges the gap somewhat.

Oh right. Why'd the SPA charge negilgence against the trainers then?

Because the trainers were the best?

Woah! You watched a reconstruction?!!?!?!

I think your job has no comparison to what these men do. I'd love to see you try. I can tell you have no idea about the forces, lol.

And good for you, I'm so pleased! But that just goes to show that you don't need a uni degree (which puts people into £27,000+ worth of debt) to earn a very good salary, for something which is much more heroic than what you do I'm sure.

It didn't seem like you were 'jesting' by the way you speak of the armed forces which protect your freedoms.

Have you been a member of the SAS/SBS?

If not, everything you've aspired to is second/third/fourteenth hand too. So sarcasm is daft we are in the same boat (or air).

Last question, why did the head of the army support the rebranding?
It was a member/civie that stopped this. Were they better than the head of the army?

the death were because the people couldnt handle the training. this is why SAS is fierce and not every man can join. You need to be damn special and clearly you are just ignorant.

Did you just say it was their own fault they died because they weren't good enough?

Have you been a member of the SAS/SBS?

If not, everything you've aspired to is second/third/fourteenth hand too. So sarcasm is daft we are in the same boat (or air).

Last question, why did the head of the army support the rebranding?
It was a member/civie that stopped this. Were they better than the head of the army?

I'd never heard of the SAS. I've done some googling and they sound interesting.
So take the UK SF and put them again the USA's SF and the UK would win?

Are they better than GCHQ?

So the 2,000 UK SF could take out the 34,000 US SF?

No, but GCHQ are the best - so the army can't be.

It just says 'be the best'. Yet the US Army would wipe you out and folk at GCHQ are better skilled and paid.

Even the Irish Republican Army and muslamic terrorists outwits the army.

Even this half wit managed to take out a soldier
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html

Was that the best he could be?

Like WWII?

Remember Suez?

You realise the British lost a war to the US?

I'll quote Northern Ireland, the outcome has been power sharing. Hardly winning. Against a non-army. Since then the strength of the British Army has halved.

Best? Not even better than some Irish hooligans.

Have you been a member of the SAS/SBS?

If not, everything you've aspired to is second/third/fourteenth hand too. So sarcasm is daft we are in the same boat (or air).

Last question, why did the head of the army support the rebranding?
It was a member/civie that stopped this. Were they better than the head of the army?

How old are you?
I watched Sean Bean in Bravo Two Zero in 1999.

I jested at your question 'And also, you do realise that people can specialise into the UKSF such as the SAS?'. That was condesending.

The selection process for my job after uni took nine months and had a 97.8 per cent fail rate. Yet the claim you make is the army would make me the best? Seemingly lower entry requirement. And the £45k captain pay would be a 20% cut. Admittedly, the ancillary benefits probably bridges the gap somewhat.

I think you are pretty dumb trying to argue this considering you did not even know about the SAS until you were told. How do you expect us to actually take anything you say for serious when you have no information on the British Armed forces.

To me it appears that all you know about GCHQ is its name and you are throwing it around like its nothing. If you actually compared the roles of the Army and the GCHQ, you would realise that comparing them is like comparing an apple and a banana. Two completely different organisations with two very different roles.



Again, saying GCHQ are the best. That has no relevance to the Army. The army operates independently without GCHQ ordering it around and vice versa. Without the GCHQ, Army would need to do a lot more intelligence work etc and without the Army, all the intelligence work which is done by GCHQ would be pointless.

As far as the 2000 vs 34000 SF comparison goes, the training conducted by British Special forces is recognised to be the hardest out of all the NATO countries. The RM have the hardest training programme of any special forces in the world and that is considered "hardest" from the known ones. The actual training for SAS and the SBS is not publicly shared and to even think that US special forces are trained to that level is absurd. Of course if we were talking about Spetsnaz I would think you weren't joking but look at all the wings US has. SEALs, DELTA, Rangers, MARSOC etc. It is actually a joke. Besides, numbers don't count for everything. I think it would be a joke to say 2000 UK SF would beat 34000 US SF but they would give them a very hard time indeed and if the ratio was more like 1:4, I think our SF would come out on top. But I don't expect a civie like you to understand that.



Again, I think I answered your statement before so there is no need to give an answer for this.



Remember Vietnam? Gulf? Korean? Afghanistan? Iraq?

Please do look at the statistics and then talk.



You are talking about a war in 1775-1783... I am so sorry to say but if that is the only point you can bring up then damn you are **** at debating.

Operation Banner was more about politics than the army itself. If the Army was allowed to conduct full-scale bloodshed, trust me NI would be wiped off the map. However, the government specified there would be no full scale engagement so even if any soldier wanted to, they couldn't open fire on anyone. Also, the problem with out politicians is that they used the army for 50 years when infact they should've resolved the NI conflict politically and the Army shouldn't have been sent there in the first place.



The head of the army did not support this but was pressured into it due to less and less people applying and there is increasing pressure to hire more soldiers.



The problem here is you think people join the Army to get rich. No one joins the Army to make money because if they do, they leave at the first chance given because the Army isn't about money. It is about serving the country to protect it and defend the people. Your job might have a 97.8% fail rate (what job is it? I wasn't told) and if you think the lower entry requirement is a drawback, no it isn't. Army Officers are trained at a high level and their training isn't something everyone can follow. You job might pay you more and looks for people who are more educated but do not think that officers just get promoted for no reason. To get promoted from Major, officers attend several courses and have to pass a number of schools e.g. Advanced Command and Staff Course and this is one course. If you do some research, you will realise how difficult the promotion phase is.

@SASASPIRER anything you would like to add?

Did you know about the SAS before you were told? If so how?

Sure, so which is the best? Or are you saying 'the best' is meaningless? There can only be one best.

Yeah I remember the Gulf, Iraq and Afganistan - not the others I'm too young. The UK had boots on the ground and didn't sort any of those conflicts out either.

Could you link me up to a source showing the head of the army not supporting it?

Officers and higher ranks are a minority. Most entrants to the Army join up because it's a more interesting job than staking shelves in Tesco.

(what job is it? I wasn't told)

civie servant with ample dealings with gchq/ncsc/cpni/uk nace/north/south/no 10.

doesnt matter. You still have no information inside the army and you still go by what others say. I on the other hand actually talk to officers and even sometimes generals when I visit them on a get together.

Also that explains why you think GCHQ is the best -_- got my answer for that lol

I don't know anybody who soldiers for the money. No soldier does it for the money. They do it for the pride of serving their country. You obviously haven't read much into this.