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Welcome to the GEM 2023 entry thread.

Other useful threads
Medical Schools Index 2023 entry (for specific med school entry discussions): (not made yet)
Undergrad Medicine 2023 entry discussion: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6902612
UCAT 2023 entry discussion: (not made yet)
BMAT 2023 entry discussion: (not made yet)
GAMSAT 2023 entry discussion: (not made yet)

Previous GEM threads
GEM 2022: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6100344:
GEM 2021: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5332212
GEM 2020: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4894790
GEM 2019: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4678924

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Hello! I'm planning on applying to study graduate entry medicine in 2 yrs - I'm about to start my final year of adult nursing, then I intend on working in infectious disease for 1 yr, then applying for GEM. I already know which uni's I'll be applying to, just want to make sure I can prep as thoroughly as possible for the entrance exam, so any advice is very welcome!! Thanks!
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Hello! I'm planning on applying to study graduate entry medicine in 2 yrs - I'm about to start my final year of adult nursing, then I intend on working in infectious disease for 1 yr, then applying for GEM. I already know which uni's I'll be applying to, just want to make sure I can prep as thoroughly as possible for the entrance exam, so any advice is very welcome!! Thanks!
I take it you want to start in 2023 (apply in 2022)? My thread is finally in use!

For now, because you're so far ahead in advance it's probably best to just take a back seat and occasionally join the GEM 2021 and GEM 2022 discussions (see the links above). Feel free to browse the UCAT and GAMSAT forums too.
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I take it you want to start in 2023 (apply in 2022)? My thread is finally in use!

For now, because you're so far ahead in advance it's probably best to just take a back seat and occasionally join the GEM 2021 and GEM 2022 discussions (see the links above). Feel free to browse the UCAT and GAMSAT forums too.
I’m also in a similar position to Colette Maria, except that I study another type of AHP course. I also plan to begin GEM in September, of course, applying in October 2022. I have somewhat started preparing already – not much, just looking at the schools, sorting finances, the entrance exams, etc. etc.

I am already applicable to a fair few GEM schools already, but I am looking to perhaps enhance my application by studying A-levels to become applicable to some other GEM schools (as I never studied A-levels when I was younger). This is for a personal goal of mine, with eyes set on some of the more “prestigious” schools which of course, have more requirements; but this belief may change.

I’ve started look at A-level Chemistry, Biology, and Maths, but a little lost on the whole practical element of the sciences. These, of course, need to be completed in most cases for those more “prestigious” schools. ecolier, are you aware of any threads on here about people who are in a similar situation? Thank you for putting this thread up by the way!
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...I’ve started look at A-level Chemistry, Biology, and Maths, but a little lost on the whole practical element of the sciences. These, of course, need to be completed in most cases for those more “prestigious” schools. ecolier, are you aware of any threads on here about people who are in a similar situation? Thank you for putting this thread up by the way!
Yes there's a GEM 2022 thread, but you really really need to know that prestige nor ranking does not matter for Medicine. Choose according to your stats, teaching style, location, student satisfaction etc. etc. but not because one is more "prestigious" or not.

If you have an idea in your head about "prestige" you may not apply sensibly thinking that they are "above" you, they are not... So make sure you research properly and not be misguided by "rankings" etc.

Remember, your medical degree is the same wherever you go - for GEM, Cambridge = Cardiff, St George's = Swansea etc. etc. There is no advantage graduating from one med school or another for specialty training competition purposes.

Oh and the GEM 2022 thread is here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6100344 (it's also at the first post of this thread) :lol:
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Yes there's a GEM 2022 thread, but you really really need to know that prestige nor ranking does not matter for Medicine. Choose according to your stats, teaching style, location, student satisfaction etc. etc. but not because one is more "prestigious" or not.

If you have an idea in your head about "prestige" you may not apply sensibly thinking that they are "above" you, they are not... So make sure you research properly and not be misguided by "rankings" etc.

Remember, your medical degree is the same wherever you go - for GEM, Cambridge = Cardiff, St George's = Swansea etc. etc. There is no advantage graduating from one med school or another for specialty training competition purposes.

Oh and the GEM 2022 thread is here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6100344 (it's also at the first post of this thread) :lol:
Thank you for the super speedy response and all the information you have provided, I'll be sure to check out the 2022 page. You're right, I think I'm just being roped into the things that actually do not really matter. How would you suggest learning more about the teaching styles in general in GEM schools, that go beyond the information provided on their webpages?

I'm thinking about starting to look at the schools themselves in person next year (subject to COVID-19 ofc).
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...How would you suggest learning more about the teaching styles in general in GEM schools, that go beyond the information provided on their webpages?
Just looking on The Medic Portal is usually good enough for now, there's only 2 traditional-style med schools (Oxbridge), the rest are either PBL, CBL or integrated.
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Hi ecolier, are you aware of any threads that discuss sitting the A-level Chemistry w/ The Practical Element as an external candidate. Thanks again.
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Hi ecolier, are you aware of any threads that discuss sitting the A-level Chemistry w/ The Practical Element as an external candidate. Thanks again.
No problem. Try this forum: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=130
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I am studying Biochemistry At UCL (1st year) and I am thinking of doing Graduate Entry Medicine in the UK. I am an Indian (non-EU resident) so is there a chance that I will get into a Graduate entry medicine course there after finishing Biochemistry?? Please let me know.
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I am studying Biochemistry At UCL (1st year) and I am thinking of doing Graduate Entry Medicine in the UK. I am an Indian (non-EU resident) so is there a chance that I will get into a Graduate entry medicine course there after finishing Biochemistry?? Please let me know.
Are you just starting your degree? So you'll be applying in 2022 for 2023 GEM entry?

Remember that GEM is much more competitive than standard undergrad medicine - if you came to us a few months ago we would have advised you to reconsider doing a degree with the sole aim to do GEM because it will take longer, therefore cost (much) more especially for international students and of course much more competitive.

There is of course a chance, but you'll need to get things ready. Try looking for work experience when / if COVID-19 finishes (no need to hurry really), but in the meantime aim for a 1st class degree. That's all you can do really.
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Hey folks!

I'm starting to explore the idea of graduate entry medicine and I'm a bit lost as to what the best steps should be in order to decide whether it's something I really want to do. Hopefully this is the right thread to post in - or perhaps you might be able to direct me to where I should post?

Some background:
I graduated with a first class theology degree in 2017. I'd started to become interested in medicine and the body from a humanities perspective during my final two years of my degree, and wrote my dissertation about chronic pain (obviously in relation to religion!). Since then I've toyed with the idea of studying medical anthropology, but cost/lack of real-life applicability have kept me from taking the plunge. However, I've continued to read around the subject, albeit always from a humanities perspective.

Then in the past 6 months, in an odd professional twist, I've found myself editing Biology and Physics textbooks for English second language speakers. While my job is about the English content, I've really enjoyed being reminded/retaught the Biology that I learnt at school - it definitely seems much more interesting to me now! I dropped all science and maths after GCSE and was very much a humanities students. I always thought that science wasn't for me, but I can see that might not actually be the case.

GEM 2023 entry:
These two things combined have made me start to consider in a more real way applying for graduate entry medicine. However, I'm unsure of the best ways to become clear about making this decision. If I were to start studying in 2023 I would already be 29! While I'm aware that that is not too late, it definitely makes me want to try and be as sure as possible about my decision.

Next steps:
From what I've gathered from my research so far, I think the three things I really need to do are:
1) Get some experience in a health care setting, whether voluntary or paid.
- I'm a bit worried that being slightly older and without a health care background will be a disadvantage. I'm not sure if my application would be taken seriously. On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want to take a professional shift without being sure that that is what I want to persue.

2) Study some science
- From my research, it seems like most places that accept humanities graduates don't need you to have science A-levels. However, I wonder if this would be good preperation? For example, to complete Biology and chemistry A levels.
- Alternatively, I could just prepare for the GAMAT, but then that seems very specialised, when I'm still testing the waters of what I want to do.

3) Talk to others who have entered GEM in their late twenties.
- Does anyone know where I could find people who have followed this route? A lot of GEM seems to be people straight out of university, which is obviously quite a different pathway to starting when you're nearly 30!
- Is there anyone else following this pathway whose a bit older? I'd love to hear how you're preparing?

In general I'd love to hear from others about their process in deciding to persue medicine and their backgrounds, particularly those who also come from a humanities background
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Hey folks!

I'm starting to explore the idea of graduate entry medicine and I'm a bit lost as to what the best steps should be in order to decide whether it's something I really want to do. Hopefully this is the right thread to post in - or perhaps you might be able to direct me to where I should post?

Some background:
I graduated with a first class theology degree in 2017. I'd started to become interested in medicine and the body from a humanities perspective during my final two years of my degree, and wrote my dissertation about chronic pain (obviously in relation to religion!). Since then I've toyed with the idea of studying medical anthropology, but cost/lack of real-life applicability have kept me from taking the plunge. However, I've continued to read around the subject, albeit always from a humanities perspective.

Then in the past 6 months, in an odd professional twist, I've found myself editing Biology and Physics textbooks for English second language speakers. While my job is about the English content, I've really enjoyed being reminded/retaught the Biology that I learnt at school - it definitely seems much more interesting to me now! I dropped all science and maths after GCSE and was very much a humanities students. I always thought that science wasn't for me, but I can see that might not actually be the case.

GEM 2023 entry:
These two things combined have made me start to consider in a more real way applying for graduate entry medicine. However, I'm unsure of the best ways to become clear about making this decision. If I were to start studying in 2023 I would already be 29! While I'm aware that that is not too late, it definitely makes me want to try and be as sure as possible about my decision.

Next steps:
From what I've gathered from my research so far, I think the three things I really need to do are:
1) Get some experience in a health care setting, whether voluntary or paid.
- I'm a bit worried that being slightly older and without a health care background will be a disadvantage. I'm not sure if my application would be taken seriously. On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want to take a professional shift without being sure that that is what I want to persue.

2) Study some science
- From my research, it seems like most places that accept humanities graduates don't need you to have science A-levels. However, I wonder if this would be good preperation? For example, to complete Biology and chemistry A levels.
- Alternatively, I could just prepare for the GAMAT, but then that seems very specialised, when I'm still testing the waters of what I want to do.

3) Talk to others who have entered GEM in their late twenties.
- Does anyone know where I could find people who have followed this route? A lot of GEM seems to be people straight out of university, which is obviously quite a different pathway to starting when you're nearly 30!
- Is there anyone else following this pathway whose a bit older? I'd love to hear how you're preparing?

In general I'd love to hear from others about their process in deciding to persue medicine and their backgrounds, particularly those who also come from a humanities background
It's maaaad that when you all start GEM I'll have graduated that year.

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1) What do you mean? Disadvantage to your med school applicaltion or disadvantage to places you could volunteer/work?
2) Depending on the medical school you go to, they'll teach you what you need to know. It would be beneficial to know the basics though to avoid additional stress at the beginning. Not to the point where you need to pay and sit A-levels but maybe a few GCSE and A-level videos on YouTube, such as Khan academy. Your GAMSAT prep would probably cover the basics depending on what kind of prep you choose to do.
3) The majority of people on my course are in their mid-late 20s and only a handful of them started straight after their previous degree. I would say this is probably a lot more common than you'd think. I don't know where your observations were made but it might be just that you're more likely to come across current university students who are applying to GEM straight out of their first degree on TSR. It certainly doesn't mean they get in first time and a lot of the 'older' people I know wouldn't use TSR or would at most just stalk.
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Hi, I’m not applying for gem medicine this year as I am still doing my undergraduate degree. But I would like to know the process of the application, like do you apply to SGUL through ucas? Or is it a different way? When and how do you sit the gamsat/ucat?
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Hi, I’m not applying for gem medicine this year as I am still doing my undergraduate degree. But I would like to know the process of the application, like do you apply to SGUL through ucas? Or is it a different way? When and how do you sit the gamsat/ucat?
What year are you in? If you're applying for 2023 entry then it's this thread (the one we're in now) you'll need - I spotted from your post history that you have just started your nursing degree.

Alternatively, if you are already in the second year of your degree then it's the GEM 2022 thread here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6100344

It's the same way applying - through UCAS by 15th October. You sit the GAMSAT only for unis that require it - have you done much research into which requires that, and which requires UCAT (and which doesn't require any)?

For GAMSAT: you can sit as much as 4 exams and the highest score is taken (https://gamsat.acer.org/results/currency-of-results). For UCAT: you have to sit it the summer before admission, a couple of months before applying.

Seeing as you are asking very basic questions, I would recommend reading through https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Medicine and post in this thread (instead of the 2021 applicants' thread) for further specific questions.
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Hello everybody!

I'm super early to the graduate entry medicine forum but it's for my own good and I'm trying to be as tactical as possible.

A little about me;
GCSE's; 5A*/5A
A-Levels; AAB (in Biology, Chemistry, Economics)
Degree; Global health (with Data Science) @ UCL
Work Experience; General hospital experience, dentistry work experience, work with special needs once a week and I tutor part-time.

I'm planning on taking the GAMSAT/UKCAT and BMAT. Seems very optimistic - I know.

Starting with the GAMSAT, when is the earliest I'd be able to sit the test if I intend on applying in 2022 for 2023 entry.

Also if you have any tips on getting some more work experience during this pandemic, I would really appreciate it! (By WE I mean suggestions of places to volunteer, any virtual ones you may know)


Thanks again!
-Mia
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Hello everybody!

I'm super early to the graduate entry medicine forum but it's for my own good and I'm trying to be as tactical as possible.

A little about me;
GCSE's; 5A*/5A
A-Levels; AAB (in Biology, Chemistry, Economics)
Work Experience; General hospital experience, dentistry work experience, work with special needs once a week and I tutor part-time.

I'm planning on taking the GAMSAT/UKCAT and BMAT. Seems very optimistic - I know.

Starting with the GAMSAT, when is the earliest I'd be able to sit the test if I intend on applying in 2022 for 2023 entry.

Also if you have any tips on getting some more work experience during this pandemic, I would really appreciate it! (By WE I mean suggestions of places to volunteer, any virtual ones you may know)

Thanks again!
-Mia
Not that early if a thread has already been made! (i.e. this one we're in now)

You can take the March / September 2021; March / September 2022 GAMSAT (upto 4 times).

You can talk about GAMSAT here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6429934
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Not that early if a thread has already been made! (i.e. this one we're in now)

You can take the March / September 2021; March / September 2022 GAMSAT (upto 4 times).

You can talk about GAMSAT here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6429934
Thank you so much!
So if I took the test in March 2021, I'd be okay using it for September 2023? I'm just confused because SGuL stated it had to be within a year and I was confused. It would be really nice being able to do it in March so if it goes well I have reasonable options if my UKCAT/BMAT flop.

Thanks again!
- Mia
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Thank you so much!
So if I took the test in March 2021, I'd be okay using it for September 2023?
You use it for applying to UCAS by October 2022, that's right.

I'm just confused because SGuL stated it had to be within a year and I was confused. It would be really nice being able to do it in March so if it goes well I have reasonable options if my UKCAT/BMAT flop.

Thanks again!
- Mia
Have a look here: https://gamsat.acer.org/results/currency-of-results

I suppose SGUL could turn around and say "you must only take it a maximum of two times", but officially the organisation running GAMSAT have said their tests are valid for 2 years.
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Hello! I'm planning on applying to study graduate entry medicine in 2 yrs - I'm about to start my final year of adult nursing, then I intend on working in infectious disease for 1 yr, then applying for GEM. I already know which uni's I'll be applying to, just want to make sure I can prep as thoroughly as possible for the entrance exam, so any advice is very welcome!! Thanks!
Hi! I am also in the same position as you! On my final year of adult nursing as well!
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