*MEGATHREAD* - Work Experience and Voluntary Work [Part 2 of 2]

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Please read this before posting:

Due to the currently COVID outbreak it is expected that most applicants will have trouble securing in person work experience placements for 2021/22 entry.

There are two free online work experience opportunities that all applicants must do if they can:

Hosted by Brighton Sussex Medical School: https://bsmsoutreach.thinkific.com/courses/VWE

Hosted by the Royal College of General Practitioners: https://www.rcgp.org.uk/training-exa...bserve-gp.aspx

The below (in the spoiler) was ripped from Helenia 's excellent post which was the OP of part 1 of this thread linked here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...d.php?t=568666

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Understandably, lots of applicants are going to have lots of questions about work experience, because it is an important part of a medicine application. However, there currently seem to be a rather large number of these threads all asking similar questions, and we old farts actually at medical school are getting kind of tired of answering the same questions over and over. So, from now, all work exp questions need to be posted here or threads will be locked and you won't get the help you want!

Firstly, please READ the excellent and extensive section on Work Experience in the wiki. This gives you the basics of how to apply, where to try, and alternatives for if medical work experience isn't too forthcoming.

Secondly, there is no such thing as "enough" work experience. There is no set amount that will guarantee you a place or even an interview - although you do need to have done something. Medical schools understand that some people have better connections than others - if your parents are doctors, you're far more likely to be able to get to see lots of cool stuff - and that different areas have varying levels of availability of shadowing schemes etc - somewhere urban is going to have lots more hospitals and opportunities than somewhere rural. The key thing is not the amount, but what you learn from it. Even if it's only pushing the tea trolley round a hospice, try and reflect on your experiences - talk to patients, talk to relatives, talk to staff (nursing, medical and others!) Use whatever you have to gain an understanding both of what Medicine really involves, and of what patients experience when they are ill - and I mean emotionally as well as physically. Even in non-medical placements like youth group work, use this to build your communication skills and empathy. Even paid employment like bar work, waitressing, reception work etc can create skills important for Medicine. Also, remember that a long-term placement which you regularly commit to is just as important, if not more, than seeing lots of different specialties on a whistle-stop tour. Watching heart surgery may be cool, but you won't actually be doing that for at least another 10 years - try to find out what the juniors actually do.

Thirdly, try to start early, but don't panic if you start late. It's perfectly ok to put down in your PS that you plan to do X placement and hope to gain Y from it - then you can talk more in interview if needed.

Finally, I think it would be nice to have a central list of what all the current medics did as work experience, just so you can have some idea of the vast range of things it's possible to do, and the range of amounts different people completed.

Helenia (applied 2001 for 2003 entry): 2 weeks in GP practice, mainly reception work but sat in on a few clinics. 1 week shadowing SHOs in A&E - this took a LONG time to sort out and the hospital I ended up at was my 5th choice, an hour's drive from home - and I couldn't drive - I love my parents! 3 years as a Young Leader with Brownies. A few weeks volunteering in local nursery school in my school holidays.


If you still have anything to ask, please post it here!
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Not long now until that of course

Someone has to :rofl: Quick, talk about work experience
Well, the issue is that there is so little to say this year!!
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Part 2 let's go :woohoo:
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Hi all, i guess ill be the first 2022 entry applicant to post here
Do you think that being a volunteer vaccinator with st johns ambulance counts towards the Warwick work experience requirements? I mean, its not exactly hands on care but it definitely involves working with patients. I've done all the online ones so that makes up for 20 hours.
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Guys, I have an opportunity to shadow an internal medicine consultant for a week from tomorrow. Do you know if med schools require some kind of proof or log of hours of shadowing? Should I ask for some kind of record?
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Guys, I have an opportunity to shadow an internal medicine consultant for a week from tomorrow. Do you know if med schools require some kind of proof or log of hours of shadowing? Should I ask for some kind of record?
none of the medical schools I applied to asked for proof, as long as you're able to reflect on what you have learnt, but I know Warwick (not sure of any others) asks for 70 hours so if I were you, there would be no harm in asking the doctor you're shadowing to write a reference showing that you've done some work experience just in case you do need it .
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Please read this before posting:

Due to the currently COVID outbreak it is expected that most applicants will have trouble securing in person work experience placements for 2021/22 entry.

There are two free online work experience opportunities that all applicants must do if they can:

Hosted by Brighton Sussex Medical School: https://bsmsoutreach.thinkific.com/courses/VWE

Hosted by the Royal College of General Practitioners: https://www.rcgp.org.uk/training-exa...bserve-gp.aspx

The below (in the spoiler) was ripped from Helenia 's excellent post which was the OP of part 1 of this thread linked here: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...d.php?t=568666

Spoiler:
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Understandably, lots of applicants are going to have lots of questions about work experience, because it is an important part of a medicine application. However, there currently seem to be a rather large number of these threads all asking similar questions, and we old farts actually at medical school are getting kind of tired of answering the same questions over and over. So, from now, all work exp questions need to be posted here or threads will be locked and you won't get the help you want!

Firstly, please READ the excellent and extensive section on Work Experience in the wiki. This gives you the basics of how to apply, where to try, and alternatives for if medical work experience isn't too forthcoming.

Secondly, there is no such thing as "enough" work experience. There is no set amount that will guarantee you a place or even an interview - although you do need to have done something. Medical schools understand that some people have better connections than others - if your parents are doctors, you're far more likely to be able to get to see lots of cool stuff - and that different areas have varying levels of availability of shadowing schemes etc - somewhere urban is going to have lots more hospitals and opportunities than somewhere rural. The key thing is not the amount, but what you learn from it. Even if it's only pushing the tea trolley round a hospice, try and reflect on your experiences - talk to patients, talk to relatives, talk to staff (nursing, medical and others!) Use whatever you have to gain an understanding both of what Medicine really involves, and of what patients experience when they are ill - and I mean emotionally as well as physically. Even in non-medical placements like youth group work, use this to build your communication skills and empathy. Even paid employment like bar work, waitressing, reception work etc can create skills important for Medicine. Also, remember that a long-term placement which you regularly commit to is just as important, if not more, than seeing lots of different specialties on a whistle-stop tour. Watching heart surgery may be cool, but you won't actually be doing that for at least another 10 years - try to find out what the juniors actually do.

Thirdly, try to start early, but don't panic if you start late. It's perfectly ok to put down in your PS that you plan to do X placement and hope to gain Y from it - then you can talk more in interview if needed.

Finally, I think it would be nice to have a central list of what all the current medics did as work experience, just so you can have some idea of the vast range of things it's possible to do, and the range of amounts different people completed.

Helenia (applied 2001 for 2003 entry): 2 weeks in GP practice, mainly reception work but sat in on a few clinics. 1 week shadowing SHOs in A&E - this took a LONG time to sort out and the hospital I ended up at was my 5th choice, an hour's drive from home - and I couldn't drive - I love my parents! 3 years as a Young Leader with Brownies. A few weeks volunteering in local nursery school in my school holidays.


If you still have anything to ask, please post it here!
Wow, end of an era! And yes, to answer becausethenight, I was still a student, and a TSR Supermod :tsr: when I made that - I graduated in 2009. My college tutor helpfully told me last week "Don't worry, you're not the lowest GMC number (i.e. earliest qualified) on my list of trainees, some people have been going longer than you!" Thanks. :rolleyes:
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Hi all, i guess ill be the first 2022 entry applicant to post here
Do you think that being a volunteer vaccinator with st johns ambulance counts towards the Warwick work experience requirements? I mean, its not exactly hands on care but it definitely involves working with patients. I've done all the online ones so that makes up for 20 hours.
Hmmm hopefully they do but if it's not clear on their website it's best to email them to find out.

If you do decide to do that, please let us know in here too

(Original post by Ami_Ami)
Guys, I have an opportunity to shadow an internal medicine consultant for a week from tomorrow. Do you know if med schools require some kind of proof or log of hours of shadowing? Should I ask for some kind of record?
Wow I'm surprised that they'd let you do that during COVID. Plenty of hospitals are still redeploying their staff.

And yes, you'd need proof from either the hospital or said doctor.

(Original post by Omair1201)
none of the medical schools I applied to asked for proof, as long as you're able to reflect on what you have learnt, but I know Warwick (not sure of any others) asks for 70 hours so if I were you, there would be no harm in asking the doctor you're shadowing to write a reference showing that you've done some work experience just in case you do need it .
ecolier may be able to help you further.
I would definitely ask for proof, especially in this environment because I am amazed any UK hospital would let someone do work experience in the current situation! It's getting better nationally but many hospitals are still struggling.

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Wow, end of an era! And yes, to answer becausethenight, I was still a student, and a TSR Supermod :cape: when I made that - I graduated in 2009. My college tutor helpfully told me last week "Don't worry, you're not the lowest GMC number (i.e. earliest qualified) on my list of trainees, some people have been going longer than you!" Thanks. :rolleyes:
My GMC number starts with 7... for some reason even the 2020 grads' starts with 7 as well. So that's my connection with the younger generation :lol:
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Wow, end of an era! And yes, to answer becausethenight, I was still a student, and a TSR Supermod :tsr: when I made that - I graduated in 2009. My college tutor helpfully told me last week "Don't worry, you're not the lowest GMC number (i.e. earliest qualified) on my list of trainees, some people have been going longer than you!" Thanks. :rolleyes:
And you're still here :adore:
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My GMC number starts with 7... for some reason even the 2020 grads' starts with 7 as well. So that's my connection with the younger generation :lol:
Mine starts with a 7 too! So I can be down with the kids as well. With my side parting and M&S jeggings...
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Mine starts with a 7 too! So I can be down with the kids as well. With my side parting and M&S jeggings...
Good stuff, I think there were only a small amount of doctors with GMC numbers starting with 6... for some reason.

Definitely down with the kids! :lol:
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Thanks for your replies!
It's not in the UK, I went to Poland to stay with my family for a few weeks as my college is fully online now. I spoke with the head physician in the hospital nearby, he was really enthusiastic. It's not common in Poland to do pre-med shadowing and he seemed really excited by the idea 😁
I'm coming back at the end of March and starting my vaccination steward volunteering and RVC patient support role too, can't wait!

What do you guys think about work experience aboard?
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...What do you guys think about work experience aboard?
As long as you can reflect on how it make you sure that Medicine is for you; and why you are suitable for the med school to pick you - it's OK!
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Mine starts with a 7 too! So I can be down with the kids as well. With my side parting and M&S jeggings...
Spring Chickens and Whippersnappers! (should I get back to the TSR Old People's Home?) :shakecane:
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How do you reflect a medicine Virtual Work Experience?
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How do you reflect a medicine Virtual Work Experience?
Depends on what you have seen? What did you take away from the work experience?

It's all about how the experience made you want to do medicine (more), and why the medical school should take you.
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Hi,
I am looking for medicine summer coarses/jobs that will benefit my future aplication. Any recommendations?
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Hi,
I am looking for medicine summer coarses/jobs that will benefit my future aplication. Any recommendations?
Any job (as long as it's legal!!) will benefit any future application.

I would also look for work experience when the COVID restrictions start to lift.

And there is definitely no need to go for anything that requires to you to pay.
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hi! does anyone have any links to work experience that i can do in the UK around sciences? particularly around medicine, paediatrics, psychology, chemistry and biology? if so, please send them through to me! thank you so much :’)
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hi! does anyone have any links to work experience that i can do in the UK around sciences? particularly around medicine, paediatrics, psychology, chemistry and biology? if so, please send them through to me! thank you so much :’)
Read the first post of this thread (the one we're in now).

But my advice - if you're thinking of medicine or something else, do something else.
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