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I have been pushed out of PGCE and made to quit

So l stated on a PGCE with QTS in September and my first placement head teacher said not to return after five days of arriving late but before the children. My SCITT provider then asked me to quit training as they believed l was not going anywhere without punctuality. I queried this and eventually they found me another placement but told that school l was rejected from my last placement. Things started okay there but the fact l was rejected from my last school meant my mentor was looking at my actions for faults to justify my earlier rejection. She herself was less than a year on the job at this school and was over stretched with responsibilities. The last thing she needed was a adult to babysit in her class too. However, she was given me a trainee teacher to mentor! I never had a fair chance, all l did seemed to annoy her and the kid’s liking me meant l did not have class management skills. My teaching was terrible as l got my lesson plans online, that is from Tes, Twinkle, white rose, planit, kapow, Edshed etc. Apparently l was supposed to be making my lessons like she did when she trained in the early two thousands. Also my lessons were too informative and not age appropriate, l was talking over the kids ability, yet she kept saying they need to expand their vocabulary. Granted my slides had too much information but as l learned about mental overload l adjusted my planning. By the way l was given lesson intention and told to plan a lesson without seeing one she planned ever (just had the medium term plans- never the short term planning access). My maths lessons were terrible as they did not allow for a hour exploration of integers with manipulatives!!! I was wrong somehow as l looked fade up with my own lessons and apparently lacked presence. Apparently my face annoyed her as she taught lessons and must have done the same to students. My presence affected the children negatively and l knew nothing. I knew nothing and the children cottoned onto this, hence had apparently told their parents this. These were things l was told daily. I was even told mid teaching my lessons with whispers in ear that my lesson was **** and that l had lost the children (mind you, this is within earshot and in full eyesight of the children). After loads of undermining my confidence, authority in the eyes of the children, she wondered why some of the kids were not keen on working with me. The kids called me a student teacher and they wanted to be taught by a qualified teacher. So apparently l had no rapport with the children and l needed to build positive relationships with them. She said oh everything you do am sharing it with all staff so they know how silly you are, why do you think you can even teach? What’s your reason for teaching? I can see why you were rejected by your first placement. So two weeks into my placement at this school ( week after l started teaching not observing) she raised a cause for concern on my performance. She alleged l was not giving her my plans to view before lessons, and yet she said to put them on file she could access them there. She said l was late not punctual so that meant l was disorganised. The list of issues is endless but still l taught 3-6 hours a week. Because of her cause for concern l was put on a support plan to be reviewed fortnightly ( l stayed on it from week two to week 11), it was renewed never closed despite meeting targets and training targets. My provider never observed me teach nor interact with the children. Yet my provider was happy for me to quit the program to preserve my chances getting QTS in the future. Apparently if they failed me then l could never gain QTS in the future. I feel let down, discriminated, bullied and exposed to microagressions. I am a 30 year old African single lady with two children. I was late due to childcare commitments and public transport issues and yet my circumstances where never appreciated as reasons to waive same time starts. The five day placement was five minutes drive from my house whilst second placement was 49 minutes away. I feel my SCITT provider has ignored my othering, differentials and set me up to fail .
To be frank it sounds like you started training before you were ready if you were late 5 times to a placement that was 5 minutes away from your home. Childcare commitments are your responsibility to cover before you commit to a placement. A PGCE is incredibly stressful and a big undertaking. It sounds like you committed to the course without being ready or prepared.

Did you document your concerns with your mentor and raise the unprofessional behaviour directly with her?
Reply 2
No l did nothing but be docile with her
Original post by Kiki2023
No l did nothing but be docile with her

That wasn’t what I asked. I asked about whether you documented the things that you thought were unhelpful and unprofessional and whether you raised those issues with her to try to resolve things and improve the situation.
To be honest. From reading this. They were right to kick you off. You're not equipped to be a teacher, you don't take any personal responsibility and seem to have an excuse or someone to blame for everything.
I will however say if what you say is true about how your provider spoke to you Infront of the children, that is not okay and you can and should write a formal complaint. But regardless of that, your conduct was far from acceptable either.
Reply 6
Original post by Kiki2023
So l stated on a PGCE with QTS in September and my first placement head teacher said not to return after five days of arriving late but before the children. My SCITT provider then asked me to quit training as they believed l was not going anywhere without punctuality. I queried this and eventually they found me another placement but told that school l was rejected from my last placement. Things started okay there but the fact l was rejected from my last school meant my mentor was looking at my actions for faults to justify my earlier rejection. She herself was less than a year on the job at this school and was over stretched with responsibilities. The last thing she needed was a adult to babysit in her class too. However, she was given me a trainee teacher to mentor! I never had a fair chance, all l did seemed to annoy her and the kid’s liking me meant l did not have class management skills. My teaching was terrible as l got my lesson plans online, that is from Tes, Twinkle, white rose, planit, kapow, Edshed etc. Apparently l was supposed to be making my lessons like she did when she trained in the early two thousands. Also my lessons were too informative and not age appropriate, l was talking over the kids ability, yet she kept saying they need to expand their vocabulary. Granted my slides had too much information but as l learned about mental overload l adjusted my planning. By the way l was given lesson intention and told to plan a lesson without seeing one she planned ever (just had the medium term plans- never the short term planning access). My maths lessons were terrible as they did not allow for a hour exploration of integers with manipulatives!!! I was wrong somehow as l looked fade up with my own lessons and apparently lacked presence. Apparently my face annoyed her as she taught lessons and must have done the same to students. My presence affected the children negatively and l knew nothing. I knew nothing and the children cottoned onto this, hence had apparently told their parents this. These were things l was told daily. I was even told mid teaching my lessons with whispers in ear that my lesson was **** and that l had lost the children (mind you, this is within earshot and in full eyesight of the children). After loads of undermining my confidence, authority in the eyes of the children, she wondered why some of the kids were not keen on working with me. The kids called me a student teacher and they wanted to be taught by a qualified teacher. So apparently l had no rapport with the children and l needed to build positive relationships with them. She said oh everything you do am sharing it with all staff so they know how silly you are, why do you think you can even teach? What’s your reason for teaching? I can see why you were rejected by your first placement. So two weeks into my placement at this school ( week after l started teaching not observing) she raised a cause for concern on my performance. She alleged l was not giving her my plans to view before lessons, and yet she said to put them on file she could access them there. She said l was late not punctual so that meant l was disorganised. The list of issues is endless but still l taught 3-6 hours a week. Because of her cause for concern l was put on a support plan to be reviewed fortnightly ( l stayed on it from week two to week 11), it was renewed never closed despite meeting targets and training targets. My provider never observed me teach nor interact with the children. Yet my provider was happy for me to quit the program to preserve my chances getting QTS in the future. Apparently if they failed me then l could never gain QTS in the future. I feel let down, discriminated, bullied and exposed to microagressions. I am a 30 year old African single lady with two children. I was late due to childcare commitments and public transport issues and yet my circumstances where never appreciated as reasons to waive same time starts. The five day placement was five minutes drive from my house whilst second placement was 49 minutes away. I feel my SCITT provider has ignored my othering, differentials and set me up to fail .

Sounds to me like you had bad luck with your school placements - not all schools are like that and people tend to judge teachers way too harshly! If you have an office job every now and then you will still be late - happens to everyone but people judge teachers more harshly. If I were you I would just switch schools - as you arrived before the students, which means you were not even late. At my school we are only required to be at the school 5 minutes before the kids and my mentor was stuck in traffic multiple times and arrived 10 minutes after the kids and she has been a teacher for over 10 years - all is good! Kids still learn as we are there to cover for each other as we are a team! If you really want to be a teacher, please don't drop the course, just find a more humane school that doesn't treat you like a robot, understands that life happens and doesn't judge you so harshly! Best of luck!
(edited 1 year ago)
Reply 7
Original post by FeiFeiLi
To be honest. From reading this. They were right to kick you off. You're not equipped to be a teacher, you don't take any personal responsibility and seem to have an excuse or someone to blame for everything.

This is the impression I have, too.
Original post by Kiki2023
So l stated on a PGCE with QTS in September and my first placement head teacher said not to return after five days of arriving late but before the children. My SCITT provider then asked me to quit training as they believed l was not going anywhere without punctuality. I queried this and eventually they found me another placement but told that school l was rejected from my last placement. Things started okay there but the fact l was rejected from my last school meant my mentor was looking at my actions for faults to justify my earlier rejection. She herself was less than a year on the job at this school and was over stretched with responsibilities. The last thing she needed was a adult to babysit in her class too. However, she was given me a trainee teacher to mentor! I never had a fair chance, all l did seemed to annoy her and the kid’s liking me meant l did not have class management skills. My teaching was terrible as l got my lesson plans online, that is from Tes, Twinkle, white rose, planit, kapow, Edshed etc. Apparently l was supposed to be making my lessons like she did when she trained in the early two thousands. Also my lessons were too informative and not age appropriate, l was talking over the kids ability, yet she kept saying they need to expand their vocabulary. Granted my slides had too much information but as l learned about mental overload l adjusted my planning. By the way l was given lesson intention and told to plan a lesson without seeing one she planned ever (just had the medium term plans- never the short term planning access). My maths lessons were terrible as they did not allow for a hour exploration of integers with manipulatives!!! I was wrong somehow as l looked fade up with my own lessons and apparently lacked presence. Apparently my face annoyed her as she taught lessons and must have done the same to students. My presence affected the children negatively and l knew nothing. I knew nothing and the children cottoned onto this, hence had apparently told their parents this. These were things l was told daily. I was even told mid teaching my lessons with whispers in ear that my lesson was **** and that l had lost the children (mind you, this is within earshot and in full eyesight of the children). After loads of undermining my confidence, authority in the eyes of the children, she wondered why some of the kids were not keen on working with me. The kids called me a student teacher and they wanted to be taught by a qualified teacher. So apparently l had no rapport with the children and l needed to build positive relationships with them. She said oh everything you do am sharing it with all staff so they know how silly you are, why do you think you can even teach? What’s your reason for teaching? I can see why you were rejected by your first placement. So two weeks into my placement at this school ( week after l started teaching not observing) she raised a cause for concern on my performance. She alleged l was not giving her my plans to view before lessons, and yet she said to put them on file she could access them there. She said l was late not punctual so that meant l was disorganised. The list of issues is endless but still l taught 3-6 hours a week. Because of her cause for concern l was put on a support plan to be reviewed fortnightly ( l stayed on it from week two to week 11), it was renewed never closed despite meeting targets and training targets. My provider never observed me teach nor interact with the children. Yet my provider was happy for me to quit the program to preserve my chances getting QTS in the future. Apparently if they failed me then l could never gain QTS in the future. I feel let down, discriminated, bullied and exposed to microagressions. I am a 30 year old African single lady with two children. I was late due to childcare commitments and public transport issues and yet my circumstances where never appreciated as reasons to waive same time starts. The five day placement was five minutes drive from my house whilst second placement was 49 minutes away. I feel my SCITT provider has ignored my othering, differentials and set me up to fail .

Omg why does this feel the same experience I’m having right now
Original post by Orangeblack1111
Omg why does this feel the same experience I’m having right now

Teachers just can’t be late! How can you have high expectations of students but not meet those expectations yourself. I’m not being negative just saying how it is in schools.
Original post by StefanU2599
Teachers just can’t be late! How can you have high expectations of students but not meet those expectations yourself. I’m not being negative just saying how it is in schools.
I have never been late…. I just had similar experience where I’m being pushed to breaking point
Reply 11
Original post by Orangeblack1111
I have never been late…. I just had similar experience where I’m being pushed to breaking point
The senior teachers make the job harder than it should be. I chose to quit my training as it also became unbearable for no reason, they just made it so as it was "the way the job is", which is not true - it could be much nicer and I offered many suggestions for changes to be implemented but all were completely disregarded.

I don't know if this helps you, but if you feel suffocated by the PGCE training, trust me you are not alone! It is horrid! And from what I've heard the ECT years ain't any better! I have no regrets about leaving it, if you feel like you want to leave, you can just do that too - there is no shame in it and there are other jobs around. Good luck!
Reply 12
Original post by Kiki2023
So l stated on a PGCE with QTS in September and my first placement head teacher said not to return after five days of arriving late but before the children. My SCITT provider then asked me to quit training as they believed l was not going anywhere without punctuality. I queried this and eventually they found me another placement but told that school l was rejected from my last placement. Things started okay there but the fact l was rejected from my last school meant my mentor was looking at my actions for faults to justify my earlier rejection. She herself was less than a year on the job at this school and was over stretched with responsibilities. The last thing she needed was a adult to babysit in her class too. However, she was given me a trainee teacher to mentor! I never had a fair chance, all l did seemed to annoy her and the kid’s liking me meant l did not have class management skills. My teaching was terrible as l got my lesson plans online, that is from Tes, Twinkle, white rose, planit, kapow, Edshed etc. Apparently l was supposed to be making my lessons like she did when she trained in the early two thousands. Also my lessons were too informative and not age appropriate, l was talking over the kids ability, yet she kept saying they need to expand their vocabulary. Granted my slides had too much information but as l learned about mental overload l adjusted my planning. By the way l was given lesson intention and told to plan a lesson without seeing one she planned ever (just had the medium term plans- never the short term planning access). My maths lessons were terrible as they did not allow for a hour exploration of integers with manipulatives!!! I was wrong somehow as l looked fade up with my own lessons and apparently lacked presence. Apparently my face annoyed her as she taught lessons and must have done the same to students. My presence affected the children negatively and l knew nothing. I knew nothing and the children cottoned onto this, hence had apparently told their parents this. These were things l was told daily. I was even told mid teaching my lessons with whispers in ear that my lesson was **** and that l had lost the children (mind you, this is within earshot and in full eyesight of the children). After loads of undermining my confidence, authority in the eyes of the children, she wondered why some of the kids were not keen on working with me. The kids called me a student teacher and they wanted to be taught by a qualified teacher. So apparently l had no rapport with the children and l needed to build positive relationships with them. She said oh everything you do am sharing it with all staff so they know how silly you are, why do you think you can even teach? What’s your reason for teaching? I can see why you were rejected by your first placement. So two weeks into my placement at this school ( week after l started teaching not observing) she raised a cause for concern on my performance. She alleged l was not giving her my plans to view before lessons, and yet she said to put them on file she could access them there. She said l was late not punctual so that meant l was disorganised. The list of issues is endless but still l taught 3-6 hours a week. Because of her cause for concern l was put on a support plan to be reviewed fortnightly ( l stayed on it from week two to week 11), it was renewed never closed despite meeting targets and training targets. My provider never observed me teach nor interact with the children. Yet my provider was happy for me to quit the program to preserve my chances getting QTS in the future. Apparently if they failed me then l could never gain QTS in the future. I feel let down, discriminated, bullied and exposed to microagressions. I am a 30 year old African single lady with two children. I was late due to childcare commitments and public transport issues and yet my circumstances where never appreciated as reasons to waive same time starts. The five day placement was five minutes drive from my house whilst second placement was 49 minutes away. I feel my SCITT provider has ignored my othering, differentials and set me up to fail .

Hello, how are you? I am sorry to read that you are having a hard time. What subject are you teaching?
Original post by Emona
Sounds to me like you had bad luck with your school placements - not all schools are like that and people tend to judge teachers way too harshly! If you have an office job every now and then you will still be late - happens to everyone but people judge teachers more harshly. If I were you I would just switch schools - as you arrived before the students, which means you were not even late. At my school we are only required to be at the school 5 minutes before the kids and my mentor was stuck in traffic multiple times and arrived 10 minutes after the kids and she has been a teacher for over 10 years - all is good! Kids still learn as we are there to cover for each other as we are a team! If you really want to be a teacher, please don't drop the course, just find a more humane school that doesn't treat you like a robot, understands that life happens and doesn't judge you so harshly! Best of luck!


Hi actually I’m trying to pgce in Social Science. For January 2025 intake I secured place at university of Essex ( MA Politics ) ,but after research I came to know job after MA or Funded PhD after MA is very difficult.Can you please clarify the employability scenario after PGCE QTS COURSE??
Hi actually I’m trying to pgce in Social Science. For January 2025 intake I secured place at university of Essex ( MA Politics ) ,but after research I came to know job after MA or Funded PhD after MA is very difficult. So I thought of taking safe route and got to know about PGCE QTS . I heard that employment rate after that is more than 60% even in SOCIAL SCIENCE. So I thought of getting into PhD by my own fund earned through this route. Can you please clarify me regarding the employment situation after this course
To be frank it sounds like you started training before you were ready if you were late 5 times to a placement that was 5 minutes away from your home. Childcare commitments are your responsibility to cover before you commit to a placement. A PGCE is incredibly stressful and a big undertaking. It sounds like you committed to the course without being ready or prepared.
Did you document your concerns with your mentor and raise the unprofessional behaviour directly with her?


Hi actually I’m trying to pgce in Social Science. For January 2025 intake I secured place at university of Essex ( MA Politics ) ,but after research I came to know job after MA or Funded PhD after MA is very difficult. So I thought of taking safe route and got to know about PGCE QTS . Can you please clarify me regarding the employment situation after this course
Reply 16
Don't let the bad experience put you off - the school you were in maybe were not right for you - the school culture etc - not the lateness etc you need to be on time - all the time, even as a student, because as a qualified teacher this would be unacceptable too many times.
Use this as a learning curve - write down the criticism you received - what is a total lie? But what could you have improved upon?
If your mental health is suffering - leave and defer.