hello sexxxiii wanna hook up 2nite??? ;) - the demise of gentlemen

there are alot of girls out there that fall for lines like this.

folk

im a classy gal, all my skirts are below knee length and im always fairly covered, never drunk (teetotal) and virginal. however, this is the third time i have met a dude in a party/bookstore/trainstation and had an intelligent conversation which resulted in him inviting me for dinner.

And you can thank women for that.

Um, how exactly?

How come chivalry was apparent so many years ago, every man treated every woman with respect and decency; by showing her affection and support. Men never used to feel inferior but they were above women; we were the inferior ones. Yet men were gentlemen; romance was alive and these men managed it. So why can't so many of the men today? Because most of the male population don't even know what romance is, or how to be a gentleman. Simple gestures such as offering her your coat, holding the door for her and not asking her for half the cash on the first date. Holding her bags for her and surprising her with flowers now and then - and not trying to get into her knickers the moment you know her full name.

Chivalry hasn't faded away because of women, but because of the media and the way "love" and relationships are presented through that along with a lot of other things that have changed in society.

Women don't want everything and more... we want to be treated equally to men, and we want to be shown affection (not necessarily always through gifts and brought things, but through simple words or actions) it doesn't take much to please a woman and that's what men don't understand. That also doesn't apply to all women, perhaps some ... but not all. My boyfriend for example is quite a romantic, and there is thank god still some gentlemen out there.. and I don't take by boyfriend for granted at all, I appreciate the way he treats me and feel lucky to have someone like him. A lot of women would feel exactly the same about their partners/husbands/boyfriends etc. And all the "women" I know, don't expect their relationships to be a "one way street" - but a system of give and take, whereby you have to compromise. Men who are in relationships where the women isn't making any effort and they are making ALL the effort, are fools. If you don't like it, do something about it! Don't just say it, talk and sort the problem out to why it's a one way relationship. You let that happen, that's your fault. A man neither needs to change his ways, for no woman wants to go out with a man who is going to have to change for her to be suitable - men are either like this or they are not. Some men just don't understand what being a gentleman is - it's the simple things.

How come chivalry was apparent so many years ago, every man treated every woman with respect and decency; by showing her affection and support. Men never used to feel inferior but they were above women; we were the inferior ones. Yet men were gentlemen; romance was alive and these men managed it. So why can't so many of the men today? Because most of the male population don't even know what romance is, or how to be a gentleman. Simple gestures such as offering her your coat, holding the door for her and not asking her for half the cash on the first date. Holding her bags for her and surprising her with flowers now and then - and not trying to get into her knickers the moment you know her full name.

Chivalry hasn't faded away because of women, but because of the media and the way "love" and relationships are presented through that along with a lot of other things that have changed in society.

Why should a guy pay for your meal? Why should a guy pamper you and give you loads of presents? Especially when you're not giving anything in return.

It's because of females like you that chivalry doesn't exist any longer. You don't want equality; it's not enough for you. You want affirmative action for women.

Why should a guy pay for your meal? Why should a guy pamper you and give you loads of presents? Especially when you're not giving anything in return. Why should men be chivalrous to women when they're not doing anything in return? You might as well wear a big sign that says "I'm a golddigger" or "I think that I'm a princess who needs to be taken care of".
You claim that relationships aren't a one-way street in the favour of the female, but in your case that's exactly what it is. And it's like that in most relationships today, unfortunately.

And going by your own logic, you could also say that women who get beaten up by their partners, are fools. That it was their fault because they let it happen.

Well the last sentence that you've written has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about anyhow... it isn't always easy to get yourself out of an abusive relationship, whether you're a man or a woman, and it is damn right wrong for anyone to abuse any human being to begin with so the victim isn't a fool at all, they are simply someone who has got themselves caught up in a awful situation and would no doubt TRY and get out of as soon as they could without being hurt anymore. However, what I was speaking about was whereby a man can speak to a woman if he thinks their relationship is one sided, that doesn't take a scientist does it!? If there isn't good communication in a relationship then I don't see much for the future... because good communication and trust are the two most vital things within a relationship between friends and gf/bf etc.

My relationship is equal, my boyfriend treats me, I treat him too - its give and take and it definitely is not a one way street. Some relationships may be, but a lot aren't. So in "my case" it really isn't - it's actually far from it. We aren't gold-diggers, that's an absolute load of ****. Golddiggers are women who go out with a man for his money - and that isn't the majority of girls. And we don't think we're princess's either, just normal women who want to be treated with respect and decency as we treat our man. You make it sound like it's a one way thing, and we do nothing in return - have you done a tally, have you researched this and asked couples if their relationships is one sided, I doubt it. The majority these days would be equal, whereby roles are mixed between husbands and their wives. And why do men have to pay for the meal? Well they don't always have too, but to begin with it's gentleman like (which of course you know nothing about) it's tradition and it's how you treat a lady... but because of how society had changed things are a lot more equal so this doesn't stand for much any more and sometimes you can decided to COMPROMISE and pay half. We don't ask for lots of presents and money and gifts, I honestly don't know where you got that from. The women you date must be shallow as hell.

The principle is still the same. You're just a hypocrite. If a man treats his girlfriend badly, he's an idiot. Yet, if a woman treats her boyfriend badly then he's a fool. I'm glad we cleared that up



You still haven't answered my question. Why should he pay for her meal? What has she done to deserve it? You can't have your cake and eat it. It's typical female hypocrisy. Women only want gender equality if it benefits them. They couldn't care less about men.
If I were to go on a date (not very likely) I would pay for her, but only because I, as a man, is forced to it. I'm expected to pay for her and cater to her even though we're supposedly "equal". It's the same in relationships. Men have to take her out, give her flowers and spontaneous presents, pay for their holiday and so on.

It must be so easy to be a woman in these days.

Funny how you ignored ChemistBoy's post btw.

He should pay for her meal "on the first few dates" because it's traditionally what the man does... it all goes back to years and years ago when the man worked and took the lady out for dinner, I don't know why men are supposed to pay for the meal but it's just the way it is. However, these days after a few first dates the women can chip in.

And trust me, we get our side of the deal - we don't come off easily. We give you children, a son to be proud of to carry on your name. I'd like to see a man go through child birth, take on all that comes with hormones and periods (as it is men moan and whine about the littlest of pain)

Back when men and women weren't equal the man was the one earning the money, the woman cooked and cleaned and looked after the children - because he was the one earning he was the one to take his woman out, he was the strong one in the relationship.

Erm, if anything this is the womens' fault for allowing themselves to be wooed this way.
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folk

im appalled at the lack of gentlemenliness in todays society.

im a classy gal, all my skirts are below knee length and im always fairly covered, never drunk (teetotal) and virginal. however, this is the third time i have met a dude in a party/bookstore/trainstation and had an intelligent conversation which resulted in him inviting me for dinner.

on all occasions, the dude texts me something like 'hi sexxiii whatcha doin??wanna hang tom nite lolzz? meet 4 dinna yea?? ;-)) xox'. since when does a gentleman ask a lady if she 'wana hang'? since when do you address a classy lady as 'sexxiiii!!!;-))'

another thing i have noticed is dudes are so accustomed to loose moralled gals that they expect some sort of relations on the first date. now i dont usually kiss a dude on the first couple dates, i prefer to know the person well. but some of these guys are so used to gals giving head on date 1 or 2 they come to expect it and if you dont offer it they think you dont like them.

also, even BEFORE the first date, i have had dudes trying to feel out if they will get any action to see if it is a waste of time or not. they text stff like 'lookin fwd 2 c u 2nite, u real hott bin thinkin bout u in my arms all day sexxii ;-)). if i greet u with a long slow kiss is that ok or watt??' being a classy lady, no way am i gonna snog a dude i barely know.

but most dudes think if you spot a good looking dude and he sees a hot girl, you dont need to know each other you should just start shagging since you already like the look of each other. and many gals are that way in this day and age, so alot of guys come to expect that from a gal. and when the gal is a classy lady who dresses modestly and doesnt snog random dudes or offer sex for the price of a dinner in Pizza Express, they dont know how to react and either think you dont like them or are gold-digging.

anyone else notice this? what do you do? are there any gentlemen left or only a bunch of wannabe pimps and PUAs?

EDIT: have met most of these types of men after work or walking around in my lunch hour so i have been wearing marks and spencer business suits (skirts all below the knee length, with black tights and no revealing splits) with pearl necklaces, and hair in a bun. i also carry myself in a classy way and work in tax so do not come across in a disgusting way. also these guys are also not chavs, they seem classy intelligent and educated, most have MBA or LLM and wear suits, and speak properly. it is only after the inital approach they try to go all 'street'on me

He should pay for her meal "on the first few dates" because it's traditionally what the man does... it all goes back to years and years ago when the man worked and took the lady out for dinner, I don't know why men are supposed to pay for the meal but it's just the way it is. However, these days after a few first dates the women can chip in.

And trust me, we get our side of the deal - we don't come off easily. We give you children, a son to be proud of to carry on your name. I'd like to see a man go through child birth, take on all that comes with hormones and periods (as it is men moan and whine about the littlest of pain)

Back when men and women weren't equal the man was the one earning the money, the woman cooked and cleaned and looked after the children - because he was the one earning he was the one to take his woman out, he was the strong one in the relationship.

Do you really have so little going for you that what makes you sophisticated is the length of your skirts?