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Original post by united21
Ah nice! and I understand the allocation based on how well you do in the interview but what I mean when I say undefined is for example if you go into the preferences section for some of the preferences it says

MP - UNDEFINED Medical Physics - KING'S COLLEGE HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST

whereas for others its more specific like

MP- IMAGING (IONISING RADAITION) - and then a trust

Not sure why some specify a specialism and some say undefined.


Maybe some hospitals only have certain departments (ionising radiation) but others have lots of departments you would work in / choose (undefined)
Undefined Medical Physics means that you won't know from the beginning which specialism you'll end up doing (you'll probably find out within your first year/definitely at the beginning of second year). Some trusts might let you choose between two or more specialisms, others might tell you "we need someone specialising in (e.g.) radiotherapy - you'll have to do that".

If you get a position where the specialism is already defined (e.g. MP - Imaging (Ionising Radiation) - Generic NHS Trust), you will normally have to specialise in that specialism (for example because the trust doesn't have a radiotherapy department - or just because they really need someone specialising in Ionising). If you're really lucky, you might still be able to specialise in something else instead, but I wouldn't count on it.

During your first year, you'll definitely have to do all four rotations.
Original post by Lostperson
That's what I thought .... did you get an interview for androoogy or reproductive science ?


I got one for Andrology and shortlist reserve for Repro, how about you?
Tbh now I'm left questioning everything in my life. It seems embryologists are the ones who can easily move over to Andrology if they want, or can go on to become lab managers, whereas I don't know if andrologists could transfer over to embryology and all lab managers positions want "senior embryologists" :s-smilie:
Has anyone who has been through interviews before remember roughly how long the process took? I'm trying to figure out when to book train tickets to get to Birmingham and back, from the times available I *hope* that 2 and a half hours after the interview time is long enough for everything to have finished and to get back to the train station.

I've gone for the latest times (2:30), it'll take about 3 hours for me to get there so I thought I'd avoid rushing around early in the morning. I had a nightmare about the train running late and missing the interview :coma: Sincerely hope it wasn't a premonition!
Original post by m1nimart
I got one for Andrology and shortlist reserve for Repro, how about you?
Tbh now I'm left questioning everything in my life. It seems embryologists are the ones who can easily move over to Andrology if they want, or can go on to become lab managers, whereas I don't know if andrologists could transfer over to embryology and all lab managers positions want "senior embryologists" :s-smilie:


It is not a route to be an embryologist-I asked a head of clinic before applying. I only put repro as a choice but sadly Shortlist reserve for the 2nd time.
Original post by Bagsworth
You are doing an MA and a PhD at the same time?? Yes I suppose that universities see similar scenarios somewhat commonly, fortunately. Somewhere I read that you cannot be registered for a degree at two different universities - and when I submitted my PhD I had to sign a declaration saying that I was not registered at another university for any other degree but had to say I was on the STP, which is a taught MSc and unrelated to my research.
Some of the people in my year got their HR stuff done really quickly, once you're offered a place and you accept the national school transfer your info to the consultant who will be training you.

Hopefully the consultant is on the ball and forwards this to HR. Hopefully HR are on the ball so that they can get you to fill out any local information. Then you need to be on the ball to fill out their info and send it to them and the enhanced disclosure check people. Then they can take up to six weeks to sort that out. Then HR can give blah blah its a never ending paper trail where if something sits in someone's inbox for more than a day it gets forgotten. I imagine the reason that interviews are this early is to prevent such late final offers being sent out but the system isn't perfect. And surprisingly people don't like being emailed about how slow things are taking because it's never their fault...the older I get the more I think most people just make it up as they go along.


Yeah, I handed in my thesis in September, so I mainly have all the 'left-overs' to do for the PhD, like the vivas (I have to have 2 because I am on a dually accredited degree; I already had one, but next one is in a months time), and corrections, which I finished. I knew that I would be applying for the STP, so I did not want a proper job, as I wanted the flexibility to prepare for everything (both the PhD and the STP stuff), so I did a MA in bioethics, because I thought it would supplement a science background quite well for a clinical job (and I was interested in this stuff for a couple of years). So technically I am a student at 3 unis. I never heard about a prohibition of doing multiple degrees at once, I have a friend who started a second BSc or BA halfway through her first one...

I still have to deal with Chinese bureaucracy as my secondary uni for the PhD is in China, so I know the pain of paperwork. Thankfully I had enhanced disclosures done in the past, so hopefully these will go through quickly.
Original post by sjurczak1
It is not a route to be an embryologist-I asked a head of clinic before applying. I only put repro as a choice but sadly Shortlist reserve for the 2nd time.


What is your background in repro?
Original post by sjurczak1
It is not a route to be an embryologist-I asked a head of clinic before applying. I only put repro as a choice but sadly Shortlist reserve for the 2nd time.


Thing is, it's not really that I necessarily want to transfer over to embryology, but that there is no career progression with the Andrology route (ie you most likely can't become lab manager because they want a senior embryologist)
Helloo how is everyone preparing for the general science questions and leadership / management potential section? 😑

Also just wondering what other microbiology people are picking for their top locations? 😝
Hey guys,

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, I'm just getting a bit panicky.
When choosing preferences, the locations you put for 'no preference' would still be on the table for you if you don't get any of the locations you put down under 'preference' right?

Thanks
Original post by spongibobbu
Hey guys,

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, I'm just getting a bit panicky.
When choosing preferences, the locations you put for 'no preference' would still be on the table for you if you don't get any of the locations you put down under 'preference' right?

Thanks


That's right :smile:. No need to panic. As long as you don't put any in the "do not want" category they will still be on the table.
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Hey, do you remember what kind of questions they asked on the general science station? thanks
Original post by EBW22
Hey, do you remember what kind of questions they asked on the general science station? thanks


Hello

I feel obliged to let you know that it is probably not in everyone's best interest to ask what questions were asked previously or what may come up in the coming interviews. Consultants do have ways of finding out what current applicants have discussed on popular forum boards and other channels of communication. It has even been said that questions have been changed in response to claims of "collusion" between applicants and those in the know. By all means ask questions about the program or the mechanics/logistics of the interview, but please refrain from directly querying about questions that may be asked.

Thanks
Original post by charnax
Hi Josh,

As I have understood it, our online tests aren't looked at until after the interview process, therefore you will get an interview regardless of your test scores (I too am an in-service applicant)

:smile:


Thanks for your reply! :smile:

Ok, I didn't realise that! So does that mean that if we have scored very poorly on the online tests that we automatically don't get a place on the STP even if the interview went really well? It seems confusing that they would look at test scores after making us go through the interview only for them to turn around and tell us that we have been unsuccessful even though we passed the interview.

Hope that makes sense?

P.s. I did get an interview for Cardiac Science!
Original post by EBW22
Hey, do you remember what kind of questions they asked on the general science station? thanks


My bet is that we should all just look at what is happening in popular science magazines and in the science sections of news papers.
Original post by Bagsworth
Of course I'll share my experiences but it's not great. So I had to give 8 weeks notice at my old job. I didn't get my official offer letter until about early August, and I'd already served my notice at this point. If I had given notice at this point I don't really know what would have happened. I took a calculated risk because I had had a recent enhanced disclosure for my current job at the time and couldn't think of any other possible reason of not being accepted.

About the study day. Some people can stay at home, I don't. It depends. On my rotation into other disciplines they said I can stay at home if I want on my study day. It would be something you'd have to discuss with your consultant.


Hey, thanks for your knowledge! I would appreciate any advice:

I have a renting situation, whereby my landlord needed to know in January whether we would be staying or leaving when our contract ends on July 1st, there was no option to stay until September... we said we would be leaving with hope of getting onto the STP.

Do you know when we find out if we have an offer, and whether its before June ideally to give me a month to sort out living for me and my partner?

And if you are given an offer, do you find out the location at the same time, or do you have to wait for that to be confirmed? and once location is confirmed is there absolutely any chance of it changing?

Many Thanks
Original post by leanne310395
Hey, thanks for your knowledge! I would appreciate any advice:

I have a renting situation, whereby my landlord needed to know in January whether we would be staying or leaving when our contract ends on July 1st, there was no option to stay until September... we said we would be leaving with hope of getting onto the STP.

Do you know when we find out if we have an offer, and whether its before June ideally to give me a month to sort out living for me and my partner?

And if you are given an offer, do you find out the location at the same time, or do you have to wait for that to be confirmed? and once location is confirmed is there absolutely any chance of it changing?

Many Thanks


My understanding is that once an offer is made and you accept, its pretty much set in stone unless you don't meet the requirements for the normal employment checks and references etc.

I'm not sure how long it takes for the offer to move from the NSHCS to the actual hospital but I would assume that once the offer has been made it would be a matter of chasing up the paperwork and getting everything confirmed. Bagsworth may wish to correct me on this as I'm somewhat speculating.
Does anyone know what the odds are like ? For interview to offer ? Applicant number wise ... I applied for repro and have an interview - and there's only 7 posts eek!
Original post by Lostperson
Does anyone know what the odds are like ? For interview to offer ? Applicant number wise ... I applied for repro and have an interview - and there's only 7 posts eek!


The table I've attached is from 2-3 years ago but should give an idea of the number of applicants per place. The last two columns refer to i) Total number of applicants, ii) Number of applicants who successfully passed the aptitude tests and were eligible for shortlisting. They interview 3x the number of posts available for each discipline - so for clinical biochemistry with 21 direct posts they would aim to interview 63 people. All things being equal interviewees have a 1 in 3 chance of being hired.
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Original post by C_Repeat
The table I've attached is from 2-3 years ago but should give an idea of the number of applicants per place. The last two columns refer to i) Total number of applicants, ii) Number of applicants who successfully passed the aptitude tests and were eligible for shortlisting. They interview 3x the number of posts available for each discipline - so for clinical biochemistry with 21 direct posts they would aim to interview 63 people. All things being equal interviewees have a 1 in 3 chance of being hired.

Okay so they have 7 posts for repro does that mean that there will be approx 21 to be interviewed ? Thank you for the help xxx

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