Why leave with a no deal?

You are the one ignoring here,
ignoring all the pain and suffering that has been endured to outside of the capital since we have become a member of Europe.

ignoring all the working class people who have lost their jobs helped by the common market you wish to keep us tied to.

ignoring the socialists who predicted this all would happen in the past.

Ignoring all that does not fit with what you want to hear include some business leaders and economists.

You ignore all then deside in your own mind, which is made up of experience you won't tell us about that all the people who claim they are suffering are stupid or worse! While You fire insults and loaded questions you know nobody can answer. I've already said countless times we don't know what would happen because we don't know what the government or the EU would do in the event of no deal!

Oh bore off. Blaming the EU for domestic affairs is stupid, it's the UK government who is responsible for the issues we have in local areas, the EU if anything has been trying to reverse UK policy - e.g. by funding development in Wales.

Perfect predictable response 'Bore off' classic reaction of someone who cannot/refuses too or simply does not wish too comprehended an alternative view point.

You continue to ignore the effects of joining the EU, you loosely touch on the removal of powers UK government while ignoring the fact that the EU funding designed to boost support for the EU is done with UK taxpayers money anyway - boom - it's the UK government's money in the first place that they gave them.

Assuming you work in the real world, Why don't you give me 40% of your wages and I'll give a fraction back % to your children to reverse an activity you've told them they can't doo because you don't have the funds to fund it. I then enforce stipulations on your children too what they can and can't say about me, and make them ware a T Shirt at said event with 'paid for by Burton Bridge' printed on it. Onlookers think I'm the hero for spending you're money...

Now as you were, feel free to continue too ignore all points

Your "alternative view point" as you call it, is mired in rather obvious bias.

The "removal of powers" you talk about don't stop the UK from developing deprived areas. If Westminster really wanted to make a difference, they could, even if the EU posed a hindrance to that goal (it doesn't). Yet you still blame the EU because the UK government is too London-centric. It's kinda pathetic how weak that argument is, really.

I understand and never said it's is directly the EU's fault that Westminster didn't develope the deprived areas

I've spoken enough about Thatcher's war on the working class north enough - the same person who co-invented the common market I might add, coincidence?

Scotland overwhelming remain vote shows the trend of the lack of socialism and the leave vote, the leave vote in heavy interlinked with suffering and the fear of the status quo that has been very bad for them.

I might not directly blame the EU, but I do clearly blame the membership of EU for not saving jobs and industries as we was promissed it would do so.

I also take the veiw that the politicians of any nation should be directly responsible to the electorate. Taxpayers money (our money!) should be able to be spent and we should have total control of holding those who spend that money to account. Why should the EU take our money pocket some of it and give us a percentage of it back and then tell us how we can spend it, I give us stipulations on what we can and can't say about the EU while spending our own money ?

They have a dogmatic desire to leave the EU regardless of the consequences.


It's telling that the most vocal advocates of no deal are shielded from any economic fall out. It's the people on low incomes that will suffer.

This about sums it up as succinctly as possible. People should be under no illusion that all of those ERG/Hard Brexiters types are going to be a ok after a No Deal, whereas the common person will be adversely affected.

Oh don't try and weasel out of it, you were obviously blaming the EU for the UK's problems. Of course, you can always retract your previous statements if you like.



Yes the right wing were all over EU integration back before they realised it would mean they might have to see a brown person every now and then.



Yes, Brexit was a protest vote. That's the main reason it actually won of course, rather than any real Euroscepticism amongst the electorate.



With spin like that you ought to be a politician.



You may have heard of the European Parliament? You know, that thing we're electing new MEPs for in a month's time? They are the UK's say on how EU money is spent, just as your local MP votes for the chancellor's budget.

In some ways MEPs have more accountability than MPs do, though that hasn't stopped corrupt politicians (hello UKIP) completely cheesing the system to their own benefit. European Parliament certainly has its issues but letting Westminster politicians get their grubby hands on the money wouldn't really be any better.

Literally proving me correct, carry on ignoring the views you cannot assimilate. Only difference is now you are starting to result to every bigots favorite card when you are defeated - the condensending card.

You are literally throwing words together with no meaning what so ever, now you have lost the debate so badly you're literally inventing what I'm saying dispite me never saying it!

BTW brown people tend not to come from the white Caucasian European race, if you pull your head out your the EU's rear end for a moment you would might see, the Conservative right are pro immigration for their supply and demand model and the reason brown people have so far not been mentioned is, this has absolutely nothing to do with the colour of skin of people. You are only bringing it up to cry fake claims of racism.

You continue to ignore the fact that people are suffering, poor people are suffering, the EU model failed to protect jobs, the EU is prejudice against the rest of the world, trade unions and Labour (back when they was a socialist party) predicted the EEC would be the final nail in the coffin of many manufactureing jobs and it has been.

Just keep making your silly jibes and condensending comments, the truth is you as the majority of the country have no idea how the EU actually works, over 90% don't know the EU presidents name or the system which the MEPs elect powerful figures that control our country from a satellite unit.

Don't bother saying house of lords or monarchy, two wrongs don't make a right,

Either own what you said, clarify it, or refute it. You can't simply deny what you've already written on this thread.



The conservatives lean on racism all the time to support their polices, remember the "go home" vans? The "it's not racist" campaign billboards?



And you continue to blame the EU for things that are entirely the UK's fault. The "nail in the coffin" for UK manufacturing? Sure that makes sense because it's not like any other major powers in the EU have a thriving manufacturing sector… oh wait.



Okay so when are you planning to launch your campaign for the North of England to leave Westminster?

This is starting to get tedious.

I stand by everything I have said in this thread, I think the problem lies with what you are prepared to read/accept or possibly understand. In your eyes a Brexiteer is deluded looking for a magical place or the creator of polical spin. As i said you are literally proving me correct, you pick either option to justify you ignoring the persons veiw that's why @ColinDent got fed up and left the conversation. You done the same thing to me.

The Conservatives don't lean on racism at all, the election campaign posters you speak of was simply that, misleading campaign posters all sides do it. What have the tories done about immigration? The 100,000 immigration cap worked well, that was a stupid idea in the first place but, we are taking about the conservatives so not surprised.

I'm not blaming the EU directly, im pointing out facts the fact they don't fit with your rose tinted EU veiws is your problem. The EEC leveled the tax playing feild, unfortunately in turn destroyed the British car manufacturing industries because European cars was better built and with the benefits of the common market cheaper or as cheap! This in turn helped Mrs T screw the trade unions too boot. I'm not blaming them, however the model we signed up for (and you see no wrong with) is the model which allowed/made it easier for this to happen! Can't you see that?

No one has still given me an answer and everyone has backed up my point even more so I should take from this that there are no positive points to leave with no deal.

It's all a matter of perspective though, what I find important you may not.
As I tried to explain to Dez, when we all hold such entrenched views then none of us will change our minds.