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I got pregnant during my legal practice course (essentially like a masters.. it's a postgrad course). I would not recommend actually delivering a baby during the course and then continuing when you've got a baby personally; your whole perspective changes and your priorities change when you have a child and I'm not sure (a) I'd have gone back (even though I was smashing it and enjoyed it at the time) or (b) would've done as well if I did return.

I was lucky in that I fell pregnant with only 6 months left of the course to go. So although I was fairly heavily pregnant, travelling miles to university, waking up early, working very long hours etc, I did manage it and I got a distinction so clearly it didn't hinder my ability to achieve what I wanted to. However it was hard, very very hard, as I was absolutely shattered, and I was working as well. I also found the practicalities quite difficult as I had to travel in from one city to another, with luggage (I had to take so many heavy books and folders I had to take it in a suitcase!) and I was always nervous of doing myself physical damage carrying very heavy bags while 6 months pregnant. Thankfully I didn't, but it was a risk I had to take as I had no other option. I was lucky in that I didn't get morning sickness, but I imagine that would have been pretty horrendous and may have affected my performance as well.

So much to consider. But I think if you can wait an extra year and a half, finish your course, that would be by far the best course of action. Only reason I didn't is because my boy wasn't planned.
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Original post by Anonymous
Hi, I'm new to this but was wondering if any of you lovely people could offer any advice! My implant is due to come out and me and my partner are thinking about not replacing it, the only thing is that we are both in university. I will be doing my masters year next year and him his PGCE. I was just wondering if anyone had any advice or stories of their own which they could share? Thanks in advance!


I can only share my (limited) experiences so far. I am 17 weeks pregnant with my first child, and I am also a full time student and a full time NHS employee (it is a training post, so treated as both a student and a health care professional).

So far, being a student, an employee, and being pregnant has been very difficult for me. I am juggling multiple responsibilities whilst experiencing all of the 'delights' of pregnancy. I have had daily sickness since I was 5 weeks pregnant (despite taking medication), and I recently had to take another week off sick due to a UTI. I normally consider myself to be a healthy person, so this transition has been a challenge to the system!
University and work have both been supportive to date, although I can't shake the feeling that they wish I was less poorly and more productive (the odd comment made here and there), and whilst I have one day a week protected 'study time' to work on assignments, this is never enough time to produce good quality work, but sheer exhaustion prevents me from doing any meaningful work of an evening, and I need the weekends to sleep!!

I will be going on maternity leave in July, and after a year out, I will be returning to my studies with a toddler as I have another two years before I achieve my qualifications, so its going to be a hard slog! My husband and I planned to have this child but we did not expect it to leave me feeling so unwell throughout, which has spoilt my experiences of being pregnant so far.

If you are planning on having a child, remember that it is doable whilst you are a student, just don't bank on everything being plain sailing!!
32 week appointment today... Estimates are one baby is just under 4lb & one just over & both head down! Feel like I can't stretch any further outwards so they need to grow upwards for a bit & not flip!

Despite always thinking I'd want an elective section this time around the Consultant got me to argue myself into agreeing to try an induction first if we get beyond 37 weeks. :eek:
Original post by Anonymous
32 week appointment today... Estimates are one baby is just under 4lb & one just over & both head down! Feel like I can't stretch any further outwards so they need to grow upwards for a bit & not flip!

Despite always thinking I'd want an elective section this time around the Consultant got me to argue myself into agreeing to try an induction first if we get beyond 37 weeks. :eek:


Good size for twins at 32 weeks!

Are you happy with the decision to go for an induction?
Anon, do what you feel comfortable with. Don't let them pressure you into decisions; at the end of the day it's you that needs to deliver them and it's your body. If you don't feel comfortable with an induction, do speak up while plans can still be rearranged. :smile:
Back to work on Monday :frown: Feels like an end of an era; maternity leave will officially be over! :eek: Feels like only a few weeks ago I had a baby, but he's over 9 months old now... where has the time gone?!?!?! He's saying dada, crawling, trying to stand up etc. Time flies.

Any tips on what I can do to make the transition to my new life of being a working mama easier?
Hmm, I think my gut feeling is that I'll go into labour before the 37+5 deadline & if they're premature then advantages to the babies of a vaginal delivery if possible so was going to go for it...

If at 36 week scan they're both over 6lb might start to loose my nerve though as my daughter was "only" 7lb when born at 37 weeks but she was quite long limbed/OP (& my two placentas are anterior this time - so likelihood again?) & it was still an obstructed labour although they did manage to hoik her out eventually with forceps!

But the difference between going with a spontaneous labour & induction is probably not so different - given the former will be so so medicalized too - needs to happen on labour ward & they want me there ASAP rather than chilling at home till active labour, continuous monitoring with scalp electrode for T1 & external for T2, epidural at 4cm as risk of quick progress/need for emergency section for both or T2 & being taken to theatre for pushing stage - not very hypnobirthing like last time till it all went wrong. But if I've got an epidural anyway maybe worth a try to avoid a C-S? Consultant also quite confident I'd respond well to induction as I've laboured before.

I think my worries are more the anxiety side of it & it's easier to have confidence in your body if it's spontaneous? But apparently they'd have low threshold for switching to semi-elective C-S if not responding well or any distress or they're sick of me demanding a senior dr review the CTGs again..!

Of course the big gamble is trying to avoid both a vaginal & section delivery in the same pregnancy - which I saw at work..! :facepalm:
PS - Meant to not be completely me,me,me & ask about back to work too!

Are you going back to same job or something new?
Full-time or part-time?
Confident in your childcare?

Think all of those things make a massive difference...
Original post by Anonymous

I have "Effective Birth Preparation" book by Maggie Howell & found it incredibly helpful first time round. As did Mr Elles - made him read the labour chapter of OHGP, relevant chapters in Howell's & discuss my birth plan in detail in advance so he was clued up. I can lend you Howell's? Apparently it's basically sports psychology/one off event training preparation! ;-) I also did NCT because i thought it might counterbalance the medic-bias & would recommend it too - both for thinking about some practicalities & social network.

I'm apprehensive about an epidural! :-( I know they'll want one & probably early at about 4cm - mostly because of risk of instrumental/section for twin 2 & the idea of being in a labour ward room/immobile does suck - I enjoyed the spa like birth unit with gas & air + pool last time - until obstructed 2nd stage at least (!) & no one ever seems to have normal deliveries when you start on labour ward!

That book sounds very handy - if I can borrow it when you're done with it that would be fab! I will be doing NCT, but as we're currently looking at moving to a different town I'm not sure whether I should go where we currently are or to the (potential) new place. It will also raise questions about where to deliver, as we'd be considerably nearer (but timewise incredibly traffic-dependent) to the shiny tertiary centre, but not sure of the practicalities/faff of transferring care in mid-late pregnancy.

I might have a biased perspective, but epidurals are ok really! And of course, it's up to you how much you press the button, as long as you know that it is working if you need it...

I still don't really have a bump at all, despite some people on my MN "month" thread claiming they have already had to buy maternity clothes. I think it's probably a combination of having been overweight to start with, so not having a perfectly flat stomach to easily deform with a baby/uterus, and then having lost about a stone (intentionally) prior to conception, so quite a few of my clothes are a bit baggy anyway - and have not gained anything yet due to vomtasticness. I can just about feel the uterus if I press, but now that it's been almost 2 weeks since the last scan the paranoia is creeping in again, and I'm contemplating the insanity of buying a handheld Doppler.
Original post by Helenia
That book sounds very handy - if I can borrow it when you're done with it that would be fab! I will be doing NCT, but as we're currently looking at moving to a different town I'm not sure whether I should go where we currently are or to the (potential) new place. It will also raise questions about where to deliver, as we'd be considerably nearer (but timewise incredibly traffic-dependent) to the shiny tertiary centre, but not sure of the practicalities/faff of transferring care in mid-late pregnancy.

I might have a biased perspective, but epidurals are ok really! And of course, it's up to you how much you press the button, as long as you know that it is working if you need it...

I still don't really have a bump at all, despite some people on my MN "month" thread claiming they have already had to buy maternity clothes. I think it's probably a combination of having been overweight to start with, so not having a perfectly flat stomach to easily deform with a baby/uterus, and then having lost about a stone (intentionally) prior to conception, so quite a few of my clothes are a bit baggy anyway - and have not gained anything yet due to vomtasticness. I can just about feel the uterus if I press, but now that it's been almost 2 weeks since the last scan the paranoia is creeping in again, and I'm contemplating the insanity of buying a handheld Doppler.


I have seen quite a few people both while on o+g and in GP who have switched hospitals midway or even towards the end of their pregnancy. Other than often having to have another booking appointment it doesn't seem like it is too complicated.

Regarding NCT I would definitely suggest going for one where you are likely to be living when the baby is here. It will be nice to be able to easily pop to each others houses etc if you are close together.

I really struggled in the bit of time between having my scan and when I started to feel Isaac move at about 17/18 weeks. I managed to resist the temptation to get a dopplar but I think that was only because I was on O&G and one of the trainees practiced her scanning on my a couple of times in that period if time and so I was able to get a little bit of reassurance from them.

Also I am glad that you have a MN group. I genuinely don't know where I would be without mine.We are still going strong over 2 years on (though now facebook based)
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Original post by Helenia
That book sounds very handy - if I can borrow it when you're done with it that would be fab! I will be doing NCT, but as we're currently looking at moving to a different town I'm not sure whether I should go where we currently are or to the (potential) new place. It will also raise questions about where to deliver, as we'd be considerably nearer (but timewise incredibly traffic-dependent) to the shiny tertiary centre, but not sure of the practicalities/faff of transferring care in mid-late pregnancy.

I might have a biased perspective, but epidurals are ok really! And of course, it's up to you how much you press the button, as long as you know that it is working if you need it...

I still don't really have a bump at all, despite some people on my MN "month" thread claiming they have already had to buy maternity clothes. I think it's probably a combination of having been overweight to start with, so not having a perfectly flat stomach to easily deform with a baby/uterus, and then having lost about a stone (intentionally) prior to conception, so quite a few of my clothes are a bit baggy anyway - and have not gained anything yet due to vomtasticness. I can just about feel the uterus if I press, but now that it's been almost 2 weeks since the last scan the paranoia is creeping in again, and I'm contemplating the insanity of buying a handheld Doppler.


Hmm, I think NCT where you expect to be living. Transferring care later on shouldn't be too complicated especially if relatively straightforward pregnancy although they might want another booking appt / baseline bloods & G&S on file.

I didn't have a bump till gone 20 weeks - more like 24 I think first time round. I tend to think people are misinterpreting bloating before then for a first...
This time fundus was easy to find at 12/40 but multiples & 2nd episode of 2nd trimester!

I had a private scan at 16/40 first time as it's a long gap between 12 & 20 & unlikely to feel reassuring movements! I'm not such a fan of dopplers & haven't used them on myself - easy to use incorrectly & potentially falsely reassuring later on.

My paranoia with interpreting movements for these two is I end up comparing & they (or my placenta buffer!) are quite different...
I managed to avoid getting a doppler entirely. I was so very very tempted, especially when I got to 17 weeks and still hadn't felt any movements whatsoever. Still not sure how I managed to avoid getting one - I didn't feel little madam move until after my scan typically!

I started showing really early on, some was bloating, but I was definitely chunkier around the middle,and my clothes stopped fitting from about 7/8 weeks. I really popped out at about 13 weeks, and stayed the same sort of size til 17 weeks when I popped out again. I did catch a side on glimpse of myself in the mirror this morning and go "Where the %$^* did that come from?!" The joys of being 30 weeks pregnant I guess xD
I've suddenly popped a bump at 17 weeks. Up until now I've just been very bloated, but there is some definite rounding going on. I'm also (finally) starting to feel halfway human again, with no sickness for the last four days, hooray!!

I will own up to having a Doppler. When I left school at 18 I started training to be a midwife (not the career for me), but I'm able to distinguish between placental blood flow, fetal heart beat and maternal pulse quite easily. I have a listen in once a week and I've found it so reassuring whilst I've felt so ill. I'm starting to feel flutters now, and once those movements become more defined I can see me retiring the Doppler and just counting the kicks instead, but it has helped me feel some sort of bond with this being that has totally hijacked my body!!
To those talking about dopplers. It's so tempting isn't it! I guess it's different for you medically trained guys but the main reason I didn't get one is because I wasn't convinced I'd be able to tell the difference between blood flow, fetal heart beat and other noises and I figured if anything had happened to him it might give me false peace of mind. So whenever I was worried that something was wrong I figured it was better to get checked out by a professional than make uneducated attempts to find out myself.
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Original post by Anonymous
As the others have said a false positive pregnancy test is incredibly rare - if it's happened to you more than once & you're trying I think it sounds like you might be having "chenical pregnancies". Have you used a digital test to be sure that they're positives? Some people say they're less sensitive but I've always got positives on clear blue digitals before my period was due.

It's important to know if your issues are fertility (getting pregnant) or repeated chemical pregnancies (which if you've had 3 or more would count as recurrent miscarriages needing further investigations). NHS clinics are set up as for geberal gynecology, or fertility or more rarely recurrent miscarriages specifically & the investigation/treatment options are different. So i think it's worth chatting through with your GP which type of clinic you should be referred to. If you're in London there are a few recurrent miscarriage clinics specifically - St Mary's (blood clotting approach) or Epsom/St Helier (auto-immune natural killer cells approach) although all will do the basic tests/scan. If you live further north there's a very well regarded NHS/self funded implantation clinic based at Warwick/Coventry.

It's interesting about your thyroid being borderline - for trying for pregnancy gynaecologists/reproductive endocrinologists often treat more aggressively than a GP might for the general population. There's a big research trial going on about whether treating borderline results or for thyroid antibodies in the blood reduces the risk of miscarriage.

Hope this helps - good luck whichever route you go down!




Original post by Helenia
Did you mention the positive pregnancy test? Definitely worth retaking in a few days to see if it's getting darker.


I didn't mention the seemingly positive test and I didn't get another one since.

I never got positives on digital hpts. Had 2 miscarriage but GP doesn't seem bothered about it. I'm now waiting for a scan and GP said she will write the referral to fertility specialist after that. Been very depressed and felt helpless as it's two years of trying with little result. Not very hopeful with fertility specialist as my BMI is way over 30 and taking time to lose the weight.
Original post by Anonymous
I didn't mention the seemingly positive test and I didn't get another one since.

I never got positives on digital hpts. Had 2 miscarriage but GP doesn't seem bothered about it. I'm now waiting for a scan and GP said she will write the referral to fertility specialist after that. Been very depressed and felt helpless as it's two years of trying with little result. Not very hopeful with fertility specialist as my BMI is way over 30 and taking time to lose the weight.

ClearBlue Digitals are notoriously less sensitive than the straightforward line tests, but if you're getting a "pregnant" line on the latter after the correct interval (not hours later, which could be an evaporation line) then something is going on.

Sorry you're feeling so down about TTC - it's such a stressful process if it doesn't go easily, and a lot of the well-meaning advice out there really doesn't help. It took me 15 months, though as I wasn't ovulating due to PCOS I'm not even sure if most of that time really "counts" tbh. My fertility consultant prescribed me Clomid when I had a BMI of 32 (I have since lost a bit more) but I know not everyone will do that, and certainly for IVF the results are much better if you can get it under 30. Again, that's another thing that's really hard and frustrating to do, but don't give up on it!
Hmm, junior docs' all-out strike is on the day of my anomaly scan. Fingers crossed it's not cancelled! Wonder if it counts as strike-breaking if I disappear inside for the scan mid-picket?!
Original post by Helenia
Hmm, junior docs' all-out strike is on the day of my anomaly scan. Fingers crossed it's not cancelled! Wonder if it counts as strike-breaking if I disappear inside for the scan mid-picket?!


The Tuesday is day of my booked induction! :facepalm:

If it's a Sonographer based unit then will probably go ahead but if they're using Clinical Fellows/Staff Grades/Consultants then I'm OK with them being rescheduled as they get redeployed to Labour Ward... ;-)
Hi Everyone,

Posting anonymously as I've not told work yet! I'm exactly 5 weeks today, EDD 24/11/2016.

First time mum, terrified but omg so exciting! Still waiting for morning sickness to set in, don't quite 'feel' pregnant really other than a line on a test! Boobs have been tender since around 10dpo and I've been feeling quite bloated today, plus some very weird vivid dreams!

Fingers crossed I get away with the nausea! haha
Actually i have a got a question!

I called my GP surgery after getting my BFP and they told me to go in and fill in a maternity pack and see a midwife. I was a bit surprised I wasn't told to see my GP before being referred to a midwife and they were just going off what my home tests said?

Is this a normal process? Kind of want to ask to see a GP really to get it extra confirmed by them via blood/urine instead of asda own brand!

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