Do looks matter in a relationship?

neil strauss is also a famous writer and a millionaire

i wouldn't say he was a 4/10 either at the time of "The Game"

before he was famous though. it was his game and "personality" that got him women, not his insanely attractive egg head and beady eyes. yeah maybe 4/10 was a bit harsh but his voice is a massive turn off.

true about his voice,
If you're a gay dude the voice is probably attractive, but to everyone else ....I agree, it's a turn-off

I remember reading The Game around 2008 and got two thirds of the way through and strauss still hadn't bagged a woman yet. He was coming close, ..but always something got in the way..

I never did finish that book in the end....

Been years since I read it as well but worth finishing imo, shows you a darker side. I got really into pua back in the day and learnt so many techniques on picking up women which isn't always the most useful as I'm a straight girl. But I can often spot pua stuff in your posts

My mate got properly into Strauss and his nonsense for a bit, he turned into a right insufferable ******* for about 2 years.

It is not nonsense. It works. It's based on sound principles.

And the whole gaming / Neil Strauss thing - when done well - is not just about picking up loads of women. It's about getting to know the most attractive women that you come across. It's about self confidence. It's about loving women. Really loving women. It's about treating beautiful women as equal human beings - not as inferior ones and not as superior ones.


For men, status is more important in attracting women than looks.
OK looks is part of status, but only one part.

And, at the end of the day, who cares whether looks are more important than personality? Each person has to work with whatever they've got.

And that means doing what you reasonably can to improve your looks, personality and status.

Looks play a part but attractiveness is subjective. There are people that I would find attractive that you don't and vice versa. For example I looked up Neil Strauss's wife and I think she's as average as he is. Personality does play a part too, if I had the choice of a beautiful ******* and a ugly angel. I would choose the ugly angel.

wait?what?!
you're a girl?

and a straight one at that?

What on earth were you doing reading the game and getting into PUA?


I still remember signing upto PUA forums and meeting up with guys, going to places like Tiger Tiger etc and everytime all of us coming back with nothing to show for it, or running around leicester square in the daytime like a headless chicken doing "daygame"

None of that PUA stuff was effective imo.

I met about 3 guys out of like 100 where I would say PUA [or something] actually worked for them and they could at least regularly number close girls significantly above them. everyone else either had no success or constantly flaked on or any success they had you could attribute to their looks.

Lol I don't know I just found it interesting. Watched a channel 4 docu called the rules of seduction and then binge watched a load of youtube videos. Kezia noble's were probably my favourite cos I actually agreed with a lot of her advice.
How attractive would you say these 100 people were?

It is not nonsense. It works. It's based on sound principles.

And the whole gaming / Neil Strauss thing - when done well - is not just about picking up loads of women. It's about getting to know the most attractive women that you come across. It's about self confidence. It's about loving women. Really loving women. It's about treating beautiful women as equal human beings - not as inferior ones and not as superior ones.


For men, status is more important in attracting women than looks.
OK looks is part of status, but only one part.

And, at the end of the day, who cares whether looks are more important than personality? Each person has to work with whatever they've got.

And that means doing what you reasonably can to improve your looks, personality and status.

majority were around average or below average [3 to 6] ...and most were ethnic.

probably around 10% I would class 7+

looking back it's easy to see why so few were 7+
they didn't need PUA, they were able to get by on looks

I think probably I was around a 6 in those days. tbh it can be hard to say if you're self rating.

There was this big event called The saturday sarge up in central london every weekend. I went a few times. So many guys turned up to that thing [like 50+] ...and we used to be given "talks" in the backstreets/alleyways from people well known in the industry [I remember listening to hayley quinn, tbh i swear she was giving me IOI's at one point but perhaps I imagined it lmao]

Then afterwards we would break off into small groups and start approaching. Sometimes we'd have a "coach" with us. When we would all meet up again outside Pret in leicester square to regroup ...you'd ask around "who got any numbers?" and usually only about 10% of people had gotten anything. and hardly anyone was actually successfully converting these numbers to dates either

I bumped in Yad one day when sarging too. He had a "client" with him and tbh it did not seem like things were going well.

Never did meet that Kezia woman. Shame.....

Should it be personality over looks or should looks be the main part?

my friends always say "you won't be walking down the street with their personality though" . I personally think it should be personality with looks as only a small part of it ......