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I have recently applied for graduate medicine, have received an offer from Newcastle and am still waiting a reply from Southampton. I have no science background since GCSE, I took no science A-Levels and did my first degree in Economics. I feel comfortable with Maths but worry I will be far behind those who did Biomed or even just those who did science A-Levels. For anyone who was previously in my situation, do you know of any subjects you think I should do a bit of research on before I go? Like I said, I don't want to be behind before I've even started. Thanks!

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Reply 2

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by jacobadd
I have recently applied for graduate medicine, have received an offer from Newcastle and am still waiting a reply from Southampton. I have no science background since GCSE, I took no science A-Levels and did my first degree in Economics. I feel comfortable with Maths but worry I will be far behind those who did Biomed or even just those who did science A-Levels. For anyone who was previously in my situation, do you know of any subjects you think I should do a bit of research on before I go? Like I said, I don't want to be behind before I've even started. Thanks!

I'm a current GEM student at Newcastle. I had no science A-levels either, and as I was 35 when I started the course, my GCSE knowledge had rusted away to virtually nothing. The key points:

1.

Biomed grads don't have any advantage. You won't be behind other people.

2.

You probably won't believe the above. In my first semester, whenever I heard life sciences grads talking about how intense and overwhelming they were finding the course, I thought they were either exaggerating or studying the material in much greater depth than I was capable of learning it. I was wrong. The undergrad biomed curriculum doesn't have that much overlap with medicine and most things really were as new to them as they were to me. In our first exam, the student who got the top mark (in the high 80s) was an arts graduate who didn't even do science GCSEs, and they weren't an anomaly - one of my interviewers even told me that the reason why Newcastle doesn't have subject-specific A-level requirements for the standard five-year programme is because it seemed silly to go on asking those applicants for sciences when GEM students with pure humanities backgrounds were doing fine. The course staff have often commented that in their experience people from non-science backgrounds will have closed any knowledge gap that did exist by Christmas.

3.

You'll still struggle to believe point #1 even now you have this info. The course is fast-paced and the sheer volume of the content can make you feel as if you're drowning. There'll be days when you panic and decide that while the other humanities grads might be doing fine, you're the dud they let in by mistake. When that happens, remind yourself that everyone in the room will be more than familiar with the thought.

4.

Your background will be useful in its own right. When I was struggling through the immunology case I was very envious of the student who had done an immunology-related MSc dissertation. It all looked so easy for them. But then there were topics where I suddenly found myself more confident and knowledgeable than my classmates, and that was often because of prior experience that I would never have assumed would be connected at all. You'll be surprised at how many relevant skills you've picked up.

With this in mind, I wouldn't recommend doing much preparatory study before you start. If I'd tried to do that, I think it would have backfired on me - I would have worried about what I was getting myself into. When you start, you'll have a teaching block called Foundation, which incorporates the fundamentals of neuroscience, cell biology, genetics, and pharmacology. This will give you a fairly solid base, and you revisit the topics in greater detail as the year progresses, so don't feel as if you have to know everything perfectly by the time Foundation finishes. All I would recommend is familarising yourself with core scientific vocabulary from those four areas if you're very rusty on terminology. (I kept having to look up what various things meant in my first couple of months.) Khan Academy has some nice simple videos and concept pages that are good for that.

Congrats on your offer, and I hope you end up at your first choice, whichever it is. 🙂

Reply 3

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by TheMedicOwl
I'm a current GEM student at Newcastle. I had no science A-levels either, and as I was 35 when I started the course, my GCSE knowledge had rusted away to virtually nothing. The key points:

1.

Biomed grads don't have any advantage. You won't be behind other people.

2.

You probably won't believe the above. In my first semester, whenever I heard life sciences grads talking about how intense and overwhelming they were finding the course, I thought they were either exaggerating or studying the material in much greater depth than I was capable of learning it. I was wrong. The undergrad biomed curriculum doesn't have that much overlap with medicine and most things really were as new to them as they were to me. In our first exam, the student who got the top mark (in the high 80s) was an arts graduate who didn't even do science GCSEs, and they weren't an anomaly - one of my interviewers even told me that the reason why Newcastle doesn't have subject-specific A-level requirements for the standard five-year programme is because it seemed silly to go on asking those applicants for sciences when GEM students with pure humanities backgrounds were doing fine. The course staff have often commented that in their experience people from non-science backgrounds will have closed any knowledge gap that did exist by Christmas.

3.

You'll still struggle to believe point #1 even now you have this info. The course is fast-paced and the sheer volume of the content can make you feel as if you're drowning. There'll be days when you panic and decide that while the other humanities grads might be doing fine, you're the dud they let in by mistake. When that happens, remind yourself that everyone in the room will be more than familiar with the thought.

4.

Your background will be useful in its own right. When I was struggling through the immunology case I was very envious of the student who had done an immunology-related MSc dissertation. It all looked so easy for them. But then there were topics where I suddenly found myself more confident and knowledgeable than my classmates, and that was often because of prior experience that I would never have assumed would be connected at all. You'll be surprised at how many relevant skills you've picked up.

With this in mind, I wouldn't recommend doing much preparatory study before you start. If I'd tried to do that, I think it would have backfired on me - I would have worried about what I was getting myself into. When you start, you'll have a teaching block called Foundation, which incorporates the fundamentals of neuroscience, cell biology, genetics, and pharmacology. This will give you a fairly solid base, and you revisit the topics in greater detail as the year progresses, so don't feel as if you have to know everything perfectly by the time Foundation finishes. All I would recommend is familarising yourself with core scientific vocabulary from those four areas if you're very rusty on terminology. (I kept having to look up what various things meant in my first couple of months.) Khan Academy has some nice simple videos and concept pages that are good for that.

Congrats on your offer, and I hope you end up at your first choice, whichever it is. 🙂
Wow, thanks for the in depth reply. You’ve put my mind at ease. I’ve always known it’s going to be intense, so it’s good to know I’m not at a disadvantage from the off.

I’ll take up your advice and learn up on some scientific vocabulary.

In terms of my first choice, assuming I get an offer from Southampton (fingers crossed), I’m still undecided. There’s more GEM students on the Southampton course and the first 3 years are condensed into 2 rather than first 2 into 1, which appeals to me. But then, Newcastle is an amazing city!

Thanks again for the reply, I really appreciate it. Good luck with the rest of your studies!

Reply 4

hi im thinking of applying to Newcastle could you explain the procedure and grades you've got im barely just getting a 2:1 and im unsure if I should apply could you plz tell what requirements and how you scored the place plz :smile:

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by Laibasaj
hi im thinking of applying to Newcastle could you explain the procedure and grades you've got im barely just getting a 2:1 and im unsure if I should apply could you plz tell what requirements and how you scored the place plz :smile:
Hi, what degree are you undertaking right now? I did Economics, which I think has helped me since they want a diversity in the subjects that people have taken before they undertake the course at Newcastle. If you’re worried about just getting a 2:1, don’t stress too hard! Plenty of GEM students only received a 2:1. It’s worth looking at other universities as well, however, Southampton don’t favour students who received a 1:1 over a 2:1, they literally just require at least a 2:1 for you to be considered.

It’s important before you even think about applying to get some work experience/volunteer work. I managed to get work experience shadowing on an orthopaedic ward and I also volunteered at a care home. Not only does it look good on your personal statement, it helps you to get a feel if Medicine is really for you or not.

After this, you have to take the UCAT (or GAMSAT if you’re also considering other universities). Check the average UCAT grades for Newcastle GEM students. I’d heard that the magic rule is an average of 700 (2800 total), although the average score of accepted students was around 750 (3000 total) when I checked. I actually only scored 705 and was still offered an interview.

If you end up like me, with a good UCAT score, but relatively lower to that of the score they usually accept, you have to smash your interview. Luckily for Newcastle, there’s plenty of information on how to prepare for the interview. It’s MMI interviews, so if you can afford it I highly recommend taking a course for MMI interviews. Also, check Newcastle’s website and all their content on YouTube. You’ll need to learn answer structure techniques (STARR and PEE), they just help your answers seem more structured and well thought through.

That’s all I can think of for how I prepared. You just need to show how passionate, determined, resilient you are, but also that you’ve done your research into how Medicine actually works on a day-to-day basis. Do plenty of reading. I’m currently reading Being Mortal by Atul Gawande. It’s a great read and gives some insight into difficulties that doctors face. A more light hearted (to begin with), is This is Going to Hurt by Adam Kay which really gives an insight to how difficult the life of a doctor can be.

Good luck! I found the preparation to be a lot of work alongside a full time job. I guess it’s just how badly you want it! Keep pushing, give yourself plenty of time to prepare and I’m sure you’ll do great :smile:

PS If you are looking at other universities, triple check the entry requirements! Some require certain A-Levels, some require work experience. My options were limited as I didn’t have any A-Level science background

Reply 6

Original post
by jacobadd
I have recently applied for graduate medicine, have received an offer from Newcastle and am still waiting a reply from Southampton. I have no science background since GCSE, I took no science A-Levels and did my first degree in Economics. I feel comfortable with Maths but worry I will be far behind those who did Biomed or even just those who did science A-Levels. For anyone who was previously in my situation, do you know of any subjects you think I should do a bit of research on before I go? Like I said, I don't want to be behind before I've even started. Thanks!

Hi Jacobadd, congratulations in getting into Newcastle for medicine especially for graduate entry, I am in a similar position, as I did no science at all and for my undergraduate I'm doing law, if you don't mind can you please run through quickly how you got through for graduate entry medicine, as in your UCAT score, what type of work experience you obtained and talked about in your personal statement and how you tackled the interview stage, also good luck to your 1st and 2nd year of Med school 👍

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by Anastasia1111111
Hi Jacobadd, congratulations in getting into Newcastle for medicine especially for graduate entry, I am in a similar position, as I did no science at all and for my undergraduate I'm doing law, if you don't mind can you please run through quickly how you got through for graduate entry medicine, as in your UCAT score, what type of work experience you obtained and talked about in your personal statement and how you tackled the interview stage, also good luck to your 1st and 2nd year of Med school 👍

hi im applying this year what type experiance have you got so far struggling ?

Reply 8

Having no STEM background will not make any difference to you in the course I would say. I had a STEM background and didn't apply via Graduate entry but I don't feel any of it makes any difference overall. If you have completed a degree already you have an advantage in that you have established a work flow, a study habit, a degree of individual discipline toward degree level study, understand how to get the most out of teaching and know how to handle an essay or literature search. These are skills that a lot of people entering post A level will have to develop from scratch.

For people who have maths or chemistry backgrounds there may be some slight benefit, particularly when it comes to things like statistics or writing papers later on but for 1st year medicine there won't be much advantage in those.

What I will say is that people with experience of the world of work, particularly customer-facing roles will likely have a significant advantage in the clinical aspects of the course because of your general bearing, attitudes and people skills.

Most STEM degrees are so intensively specialist: biomed, molecular biology, neuroscience etc that they don't apply well to a hugely vocational course like medicine. Where they may help later is where you choose to enter research as a doctor and pursue that same field as a research interest. I have looked at a lot of the kind of work students on other courses were doing and much of it is seemed to be crazy intense compared to medicine whilst having not a lot of immediate clinical utility to my eyes. This is just my take though.

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by Laibasaj
hi im applying this year what type experiance have you got so far struggling ?


I’ve been struggling a lot and have been trying to find work experience along the way but keep getting rejected

Reply 10

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by Anastasia1111111
I’ve been struggling a lot and have been trying to find work experience along the way but keep getting rejected

Do the virtual work experience you can sign up to through the University of Brighton.

Work or do experience in schools, play groups, charities, social services, anything. Not everyone can get direct healthcare work experience and they know that. Do something different and so make yourself standout.

Speak to family and friends and find out if there is anyone who has a chronic health condition and if they are prepared to talk to you about it.

Explain that you will need to ask the following questions maybe and give them option of declining. A portion of people are more than glad to explain they had rheumatoid arthritis and will be expert patients and can tell you all about it and how they manage it. That is the kind of person you are best off talking to as you will learn loads.

Ask when they were diagnosed.
Ask about what symptoms they had (if any)
Ask about what impact it has on their routine due to appointments or check ups etc
Ask about how the condition is managed
Ask about what medicines they take, note down details and any side effects- a lot of people take a lot of different pills and seem to not suffer anything
Ask about the impact their condition has had on their life, if there anything they can't do or which has changed, has it affected them emotionally/psychologically: even conditions such as acne can have a hidden impact way beyond what meets the eye.

Thank them for their time and explaining things to you.

The above is plenty sensitive enough but by keeping the questions generic you will spare embarrassment or shame. Be extremely careful how you ask questions like these.

Reflect on any and all encounters with people, whatever you do. Consider the situation and try to put yourself in their shoes. Think about feelings and thoughts and what their life might look like. A lot of medical schools have a lot of focus on empathy and dignity as these are important aspects of healthcare. The above kind of discussions are the kind of thing you can expect to practice and spend time on in your first year of medical school. Avoid overall medical complexity as you won't necessarily be able to understand it all, but by all means look deeply into any condition. Lots of people have psoriasis, learn a lot about that, it's various forms, it's effects, it's complications. Established vs emerging treatments. Consider the short and long term impacts.
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by ErasistratusV
Do the virtual work experience you can sign up to through the University of Brighton.
Work or do experience in schools, play groups, charities, social services, anything. Not everyone can get direct healthcare work experience and they know that. Do something different and so make yourself standout.
Speak to family and friends and find out if there is anyone who has a chronic health condition and if they are prepared to talk to you about it.
Explain that you will need to ask the following questions maybe and give them option of declining. A portion of people are more than glad to explain they had rheumatoid arthritis and will be expert patients and can tell you all about it and how they manage it. That is the kind of person you are best off talking to as you will learn loads.
Ask when they were diagnosed.
Ask about what symptoms they had (if any)
Ask about what impact it has on their routine due to appointments or check ups etc
Ask about how the condition is managed
Ask about what medicines they take, note down details and any side effects- a lot of people take a lot of different pills and seem to not suffer anything
Ask about the impact their condition has had on their life, if there anything they can't do or which has changed, has it affected them emotionally/psychologically: even conditions such as acne can have a hidden impact way beyond what meets the eye.
Thank them for their time and explaining things to you.
The above is plenty sensitive enough but by keeping the questions generic you will spare embarrassment or shame. Be extremely careful how you ask questions like these.
Reflect on any and all encounters with people, whatever you do. Consider the situation and try to put yourself in their shoes. Think about feelings and thoughts and what their life might look like. A lot of medical schools have a lot of focus on empathy and dignity as these are important aspects of healthcare. The above kind of discussions are the kind of thing you can expect to practice and spend time on in your first year of medical school. Avoid overall medical complexity as you won't necessarily be able to understand it all, but by all means look deeply into any condition. Lots of people have psoriasis, learn a lot about that, it's various forms, it's effects, it's complications. Established vs emerging treatments. Consider the short and long term impacts.


Thank you so much for this advice and getting back to the post I really appreciate it and your right about standing out so I need to do something different in terms of work experience too and yes it’s all about details on how to help patients and the things they go through that elevate a personal statement

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