I am Muslim but I don’t believe supposedly ‘religious’ people will go to heaven

And those muslim girls had no reason to treat you like ****? Ok well god teaches us to be kind so like theyre not exactly impressing God, are they? Only god knows

As someone who is an atheist and doesn’t necessarily believe in a heaven / hell, the idea that your religious faith alone, not your actions, determines where you end up seems - entirely the opposite of what the core of most religion is meant to be about.

Why bother being kind if you’ll just end up in heaven anyway? Seems counter productive.

This is something that has been bothering me. I’ve met some really rude and you could say abusive Muslim girls who came across as practicing Muslims as they dressed modestly. They treated me like complete s**** in college and I will be seriously pissed off if they end up in heaven and the lovely, kind non Muslims that I’ve met in my lifetime end up in hell. I know it’s weird that I am this concerned about the afterlife and I should be focusing on the here and now but it bothers me. I feel like Allah or God or whatever higher power is out there should punish according to what type of person you are, your character and how you treat others. Can anyone else relate to this situation?

I’m not sure i understand what you’re trying to say with that question at the end there. But I have heard from some people from the Islamic faith that you have to be a Muslim to go to heaven. So you have to proclaim that you believe in Allah and Muhammad pbuh as the last prophet. Don’t get me wrong, I am a Muslim myself and I would say a practicing Muslim for sure and am quite informed on my Religon. I know that actions determine where you end up. But what is confusing me is the fact that seriously abusive and rude people who seem to practice the Religon could potentially go to heaven but good people who do not practice it may go to hell. I personally don’t believe Allah would let that happen but it kinda annoys me to hear that you have to proclaim the testimony of faith to make it to heaven.

The reason it is bothering you is because you see the inherent contradiction in your faith atheism.

This is something that has been bothering me. I’ve met some really rude and you could say abusive Muslim girls who came across as practicing Muslims as they dressed modestly. They treated me like complete s**** in college and I will be seriously pissed off if they end up in heaven and the lovely, kind non Muslims that I’ve met in my lifetime end up in hell. I know it’s weird that I am this concerned about the afterlife and I should be focusing on the here and now but it bothers me. I feel like Allah or God or whatever higher power is out there should punish according to what type of person you are, your character and how you treat others. Can anyone else relate to this situation?

I thought this a lot when I was Muslim. I don't know what to say, don't think you'll find a good answer. Maybe ask other Muslims what they think?

Did you really? So you can relate a bit? Why are you no longer a Muslim if you don’t mind me asking?

I left Islam so I can't really give the best advice since I know you are not interested in atheism. I understand your point of view, but I think religion is more than belief and good character is a very important concept in Islam. If these girls really cared about religion, they wouldn't treat you like that. To me they are just showing off to their friends and family, but not really putting it into practice.

Anyway, I don't know what else to say because I no longer believe in Islam (agnostic) but I hope you do find something that satisfies you.

This is something that has been bothering me. I’ve met some really rude and you could say abusive Muslim girls who came across as practicing Muslims as they dressed modestly. They treated me like complete s**** in college and I will be seriously pissed off if they end up in heaven and the lovely, kind non Muslims that I’ve met in my lifetime end up in hell. I know it’s weird that I am this concerned about the afterlife and I should be focusing on the here and now but it bothers me. I feel like Allah or God or whatever higher power is out there should punish according to what type of person you are, your character and how you treat others. Can anyone else relate to this situation?

Some of us non-Muslims subscribe to the belief that we should forgive each other before we can expect God to forgive us. You should maybe work on your ability to forgive others. It's hard, it might take a lifetime to learn, but it's possible and always worth trying.

Christian faith shows the love of God as like the unconditional love of a mother. All sincere apologies are accepted. Does Islam not teach the same?

That’s a good point that you have raised. Islam teaches the exact same thing. In fact the love of Allah God) is said to be greater than the love that a mother has for her child. I suppose you are right and I think Islam does teach us to forgive each other but like you said it is hard. Maybe ii could forgive those girls. But then there are other people who I feel like are abusive to a degree that is unacceptable. Plus I know that people don’t really change. If you’re a bad person you’re always gonna be a bad person I think.

Thank you. I feel very confused about everything. It’s very weird to me that they take the effort to dress modestly and take on the identity of a Muslim, yet treat people so horribly. I believe the term for them is a walking contradiction.

May I ask why you are no longer a follower of the Islamic faith please?